Posts by distilled1

Yeah I can't imagine ANYONE here hoping for a Classic Tera server is holding their breath.
Even the ones who voted. None of us are holding our breath, but we're going to at least voice our opinions of what we want, because at least that has a chance of being heard.
More of a chance than not saying anything at all.

No one realistically thinks that these companies, who have been driving Tera into the ground for the past 9 years or so, have the sense to do something right with regards to Tera's future including but not limited to making a Classic server.
That's why we have to yell from the roof tops as loud as we can for the SMALL CHANCE that they'll listen and actually do it.

TruthSedge you're not making any damn sense.
You think anyone would have been remotely interested in a TEMPORARY WoW Classic server?
Hell no, so why would classic Tera fans be interested in a temporary version?

One of the main things people look for in a private server too is longevity. Whether it be WoW private servers, Ragnarok online private servers, or whatever else, they want to know that their time and effort into the game will remain for a long time.
If they know it won't, they aren't going to bother starting. It's common sense, fool.

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There are the cosmetics part on every game for that reason. And TERA has tons of them. Body costumes, Weapon Skins, Face accesories, Head accesories, Back accesories, Footprints accesories, Mounts, Pets/Companions.

If a game is well made and has a good content developed that players can really enjoy then spending money for gear wouldnt be necesary. When a developer aims to get money throught pay walls on players progression its because their game has no quality content to offer at all.

DAMN, Sweet Shiro!
You really said it perfectly here.

If the game was developed well with good content, people would pay just to play the game like other subscription based games such as FF14 or World of Warcraft.
Players here are instead forced to gamble their money on lootboxes in hopes that they might roll well and receive their pay to win gears which will progress them in the game.
Players skill does not progress them here. Their bank account does.
It's sick and hardly what I'd even consider to be a "game".

Hey at least the information is being sent to the higher ups, which is a heck of a lot better than simply ignoring the pleas from the community.

Any step or effort towards us getting a permanent Classic Tera server is great news for me!
Thank you, threea.

Wow.. yeah.
Gameforge exists simply to publish any Asian online games that have some popularity to the western audience, then drain the life out that game. Siphoning money out of its players as much as possible in as short a time as possible so they can tell their shareholders "look how much money we made this fiscal year" or whatever.

Then once all the life has been sucked out of that game, they simply latch on to a new one.

It's like a virus.

So true, dude haha.
I love how you use the phrase "Junkies" to describe them. Sadly, it's very fitting.

It's sad that those are the types of people keeping this game on life support, but it's not sustainable long-term.

Sooner or later, "poof" will go Tera, just like all the other MMOs ruined by pay to win driving out normal players.

The problem with pay to win, especially how it's done here in Tera, is that players often have to spend way more than they should in order to be on the same playing field as other players.
Here in Tera, the developers put all kinds of important gear behind loot boxes which don't even guarantee players are getting the item they pay to get.

Even if the loot box DID guarantee you your item, Tera is STILL ripping players off by the sheer costs.

Players should only have to pay about 10-25 US dollars a month on a game like Tera to play and to be on the same playing field as everyone else, but that's not how it is.

Tera is instead constantly creating newer, better items, exclusive to their cash shop, that probably totals up closer to 50-90 US dollars a month for the average player to remain competitive.

The only people who would defend such a trash payment model as pay to win are those who are privileged and wealthy enough to afford it, or those who irresponsibly put their entire savings/debt/life into the game, or those who are paid shills for this type of payment model. Lying to themselves and everyone else about how great this payment model is for their own sick benefits.

Every regular/average player would prefer a simple monthly fee of 10-25 bucks to support the server's maintenance while having the game be completely fair for ALL players.

These are the type of people Tera have eliminated from playing. Average people who are no longer interested in being ripped off, while those who remain are either a few rich bastards, or weird no-lifers who gladly give their life savings to stay competitive in the game, and defend their irresponsible spending habits.

Not to mention eliminating anyone else who can clearly see the countless other terrible game design choices Tera has made over the years.

Nice projection, Om3Ga, but it is you who no one takes seriously around here:

Quote from dkang

Why do you even argue with this guy that have completely no idea what he's talking about? Don't waste ur nerves bro, not worth it.

Quote from Kanye West

Knowledge yes.

Functional brain? You are still playing this game so lets cut that out.

You think just because you currently play garbage, your opinion is superior to others?
I used to play Tera years ago when it was actually a decent game to play. It no longer is. Why are you so threatened by a Classic Tera server existing anyways?

You scared people will stop playing in the trash bin with you and begin playing something decent?

Sad.

Also your other comment

Quote from Om3Ga

And what do you not understand about the lack of interest into a classic server?

Not even mentioning that classic server for TERA would not work out.

Excuses over excuses. Like the european TERA servers are not temporary.

They will close down. And no, you wont get your money back.

literally makes no sense unfortunately. I asked you to clarify what you meant and you won't do it.

I know English might not be your first language, but yikes.

Just do it.

If the devs are so bad at creating new content, they should just stop trying to create it.
Instead, they should simply release a server for Tera, set in a patch when people actually liked the game the most, make it a pay to play so they're earning enough money to maintain the server, remove unnecessary pay to win micro-transactions, and keep it that way forever.

At lease that way people can still have enjoyable PVP, and make up their own stories through roleplay, or do guild/social related things together without having to worry about a new update coming along and SCREWING UP THEIR EXPERIENCE.

Quote from Om3Ga

And what do you not understand about the lack of interest into a classic server?

Not even mentioning that classic server for TERA would not work out.

Excuses over excuses. Like the european TERA servers are not temporary.

They will close down. And no, you wont get your money back.

I don't even know what you're trying to say with that post. No offense, but I can tell English is your second language, good sir.
Could you maybe clarify what you mean?

I'll just quote what kdchan said in the other thread, as they summed it up better than I can:

Quote from kdchan

5700+ views for this topic and 2700+ views on the poll one, there is a lot of people who want to play the old game and came here by just using the search engine, mean there are tons of potential new players who never registered to this forum but wait for GF to set it up.

Topics viewers, tags and keywords are a good indicator of the interest of a product, is also a basic rule in the new digital economy. GF should already know that a potential 3000+ players can bring more money and revive the game that is beelings already tons of players.

Moreover triple AAA old games like Lineage 2, WoW, Runescape, Ultima Online, Everquest 2, etc... all have a classic server along the normal server, so is not something new.

They know that having 2 versions, an old one and a new one mean a more wider playerbase spread across 2 versione of the same game, old players will never play the new game, new ones will never come back to the old one, so you please 2 whole different playerbase and retain all the players, to please both parties.

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As always, there will be naysayers like Om3ga, and as always there will be people speaking up for what they want. Whether gameforge actually listens or not is not up to either of us.

I apologize, everyone. That was meant more as a joke than reality, and I forgot to imply my sarcasm there.

Still it is kind of true to a degree, wouldn't you say?

Some would say Tera players are now paying for their sins after years of whales buying skimpy outfits for their childlike characters, and ERPing with them.

They have unknowingly been sending a message, with their wallet, to the devs of Tera that this is what they want out of the game. Not a good gaming experience, but rather more outfits and perversion.

So now... well we know who to blame.

What the hell do you not understand about the lack of interested in temporary servers?
The success of a temporary server or random private server does not dictate the success of a permanent official server.
NO ONE WANTS TO INVEST TIME IN A TEMPORARY SERVER FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, DUDE!

Shiro.Neko, no offense but what the hell kind of logic is that?
You're saying that an official classic Tera server can't be successful because random, buggy, unprofessional private servers, which had no means of advertising themselves to Classic tera fans, had a low population or didn't work out?
Yeah no sh*t they didn't work out. You're comparing apples to oranges, buddy.

Quote from Sweet.Shiro.Neko

History has taught the only way to bring it back is a temp event server. Other wise is not worth the "investment".

What the hell are you talking about. The only way to bring back a classic Tera server is to make it temporary again, and therefore have a built-in failure by means of not being permanent and therefore not appealing to Classic Tera fans?
You ever heard of the successful history of Runescape classic, or WoW classic?

What planet do you live on?

I honestly believe you could be a staff member of activision/gameforge with that kind of @ss-backwards logic.

Quote from Om3Ga

There wont ever be a successful classic server because there is no mass interest.

Especially not for a Pay 2 Play server.

The only thing i see here are some people that have no clue how TERA/companies work and that they don't even play the game, instead they come back to this game and forum after months/years of inactivity and demand a classic server.

Your opinions and stupid ideas are irrelevant since you don't even play the game.

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Translation:

"I'm too cheap/poor to pay for my entertainment, so everyone else must be too.

Everyone here doesn't eat garbage like me! Only by eating trash can you understand how gaming companies work!"

Yeah we know how they work, or in BHS/gameforge's case, how they DON'T work. That's why we're trying to smarten them up before Tera completely implodes on itself.

I'm not "blinded by nostalgia". I legitimately liked the vanilla game before all the pay to win elements, and where all the quests and lore lead up to the Argons and Argon queen being the final baddie. It was a way better, properly built world and story.
Now let's not fool ourselves. No one played classic Tera for the storyline. It was cliche Korean garbage story, but it still had a more cohesive story than everything that came after.

I also don't care if it was slightly buggier than the 65 patch. I'd still love to play vanilla.

THAT SAID, I'd be willing, nay, eager to play a classic lv 65 patch server if that's what gameforge was willing to provide for a classic Tera server. That would still A BILLION TIMES BETTER than current Tera in my opinion.

I just hated the addition of Reapers, the first of many overpowered, race/gender exclusive classes. I also wasn't a fan of the revamping of the starting zone. I liked island of Dawn.

You can argue against Classic Tera interest by saying that not many people played the temporary classic server, which is true, but guess what? Everyone knew it would be a temporary server from the get go, so why the HELL would classic Tera fans bother investing their time into it?
THAT is why it failed. To think otherwise is pretty stupid.

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Also I am not trying to say Vanilla Tera is completely superior to all other patches in terms of balance. I just don't really care, because I spent so much time in that world with whatever bugs or "inferiority" it had, and learned to tolerate all that and roll with it. The good still outweighed the bad in vanilla, whereas in other patches, the bad began outweighing the good.
They removed instances like wonderholme and many others for no reason, and kept adding pay to win shit.

Just charge me a monthly fee to play the game if you want money from players so bad. Don't micro transaction my wallet to the point I want to quit.
Maybe allow a free trial but can't leave island of dawn or can't level beyond level 5 or something.

Quote from kdchan

This thread have more than 3000+ viewers (the other one more than 5000+), so i think there is enought interest, at least on par if not more than the normal one. There is demand for a classic servers, expecially for a old game like Tera that changed so much from the first version.

Bloody good point, mate.
I agree that the interest in classic Tera is at least on par with current Tera, and them some.

There are likely thousands of old classic Tera fans who no longer bother to check up on any Tera Forums.

I'm not surprised how many people in these forums and in En Masse's old Tera forums throw negativity and dismissal at the interest of classic Tera servers. Probably 98% of the people still checking into these forums are actively playing current Tera, and enjoy eating garbage.

I just don't understand why they have to dismiss classic Tera interest so much. Like what is it going to harm? Is it going to take developers time away from continuing to make current Tera complete garbage like they've been doing for the last 10 years? Oh no how terrible.

Not that it would even take up much development time to put up a classic Tera server. They'd just have to dig up old code and slap it together. Not actually develop anything much at all.
Then they can continue to create garbage for current Tera fans.

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as far as how it will make GameForge money, make the game subscription based like Tera was originally.

Why should people get entertainment for free anyways?
People should pay for their entertainment, and I'm more than willing to. It beats the hell out of having a "free to play" game that ends up costing you an arm and a leg in micro-transactions just to be competitive.

Face it, Om3Ga. You do not represent or speak for Classic Tera fans. You're a modern Tera fan who did not enjoy Classic Tera by your own admission. So why are you even bothering with your irrelevant opinions on a Classic Server?

Leave that to Classic Tera fans which is not you.

Quote from Om3Ga

The time is different. You simply would not feel what you felt when the game was new.

Yeah we're all aware of how time works, bud. Doesn't mean we don't want the game back to, what is in our opinion, the superior state.

You can speak for yourself all you want saying "I wouldn't play classic, I won't farm for VM1, I won't enjoy anything about it," but you don't speak for Classic fans with, or "Real PvP" Classic fans.

Quote from Buschfunker

Pvp is the only thing i do in this game and i want a classic server, cause they will never balance classes. So i would prefer a classic server before they buffed the shit out of the most classes to oneshot fiesta. The current pvp dmg is at least 50% to high in every aspect, CU, BG or duel.

Agreed 100%

The Modern Tera fans like Om3Ga need to shut their mouths already with all their negative naysaying. We Classic fans have heard enough of what you guys want for years. Yes I hope Modern Tera becomes "fixed" to your liking as well, but I still wouldn't play on that.
Classic Tera fans want Classic Tera back. Simple as that. And there are many of us.

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people still don't get it.

There are two type of players who want classic:
The nostalgic player, who want to relive the past of Tera and then realize the game is not what they remember it is.
The PvP monkes like myself and a few others here, who want classic not to relive the past, but to play in a Tera patch before PvP was mercilessly murdered and turned into a joke by BHS.

I think you're the one who doesn't "get it", brother from another mother.

Those are just your opinions or assumptions of what classic fans are. Not straight facts which you need to "clarify".

Fact is, many people want a Classic Tera server on PC. I can't speak for all these types of people, but I can speak for myself and my friends who loved Classic Tera.

We want the game mechanics how we remember them being, how PvP used to be, how endgame PvE used to be, etc, etc. We liked it like that.

Yes we want to play it for the nostalgia, but why do you say people will realize the game is not what they remember it is? That's like calling all Tera Classic fans mentally stupid.

We want to be in that world as we remember it, and yes we do remember it correctly, bud. Give classic fans more credit.
We want to be immersed again without the millions of pay to win elements that kept on piling up patch after patch. We want it without race or gender locked classes. We want it with all the good and the bad aspects Classic Tera had, even if it was technically not the best PvP patch or whatever. It was our world for better or for worse and we miss it.

That argument you're making is just like the devs who were DEAD WRONG about Classic WoW when they said "You THINK you do, but you don't, hurr hurr". Yeah well guess what? Thousands, if not millions of people are still playing Classic WoW to this day.

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One final thing people on these forums should take into account. Might seem super obvious, but not every Classic Tera fan who would play a Classic server is going to be posting here, or completing this survey as they have long given up hope for a Classic server ever emerging. 90% of them probably wouldn't even bother searching for one on their own.
If however one showed up, advertising itself to them, or somehow heard through word of mouth and surprising them again, like an early Christmas present, you bet your ass there would be a gathering of Classic players.

Keep that in mind, all you naysayers.

Quote from Om3Ga

Long text full of bullshit + some fanboy fantasy world poll.

A classic server doesn't make sense in the long run. It would be fun the first few days but than everyone would leave for the main game again because it gets updated. And splitting the playerbase is stupid too.

They need to fix the game instead of creating a classic server that wouldn't even be a real classic server in the first place.

I made an account on gameforge just now to respond to this terrible post.
These are the same, enormously stupid arguments that modern Tera players have been using for years to dismiss the interest of Classic Tera servers. Likely out of unnecessary fear, believing their modern Tera server will be affected by a Classic Tera server.

"Everyone would leave for the main game again," eh? Yeah everyone who LIKES modern Tera would continue playing it, but we're talking about a demographic of people who ARE NO LONGER INTERESTED IN MODERN TERA, yet who WOULD PLAY a classic version of Tera.

Splitting the playerbase? Again, we're talking about a demographic of people who are NO LONGER INTERESTED IN MODERN TERA, yet who WOULD PLAY a classic version of Tera.

Please get that through your skull.

Yes, I'm one of the people who loved the VisionMaker1/VisionMaker2 era of Tera, who has been sitting silently on the sidelines for years, waiting for a classic version of Tera to emerge, and I know for a fact I'm not alone.

There are many people like me who have not TOUCHED modern Tera in YEARS, who WOULD play a classic version if it were available.

Did the popularity of Classic WoW not clue you in to any of this?

It's no secret that many people consider Classic Tera a better game overall than what Tera is today, just like with Classic WoW.

I will NEVER play modern Tera again in my life. Guaranteed. I will however play Classic Tera again in a heartbeat, whether it's subscription based, buy to play, or free to play, as long as there are not too many pay to win elements or too much loot box type bullshit.

I don't even care if it's a server hosted in Europe while I'm Canadian, giving me a terrible ping. I'd be very happy just to be able to experience classic Tera again, the way I loved it so many years ago.