Posts by distilled1

I agree with MICHAEL64 about Enmasse being greedy and crappy, even though he kind of rambles on there.

I played Tera from the Manaya's Core patch to the level 65 patch, and then permanently quit.
During my time playing, I saw EnMasse's greed heighten more and more in the form of them putting more and more importance on pay to win aspects.

It used to be about skill. Manaya's Core hard mode rewarded crafting ingredients to get the best gear in the game, and that dungeon was insanely difficult. This resulted in the players with the most skill becoming the most powerful (except those who paid other players for the crafting items/dungeon carries).

Then it changed over time to what Tera has been ever since. Pay to win. The biggest wallet wins.

It's the exact same as many other Korean MMORPGs such as what I experienced with Ragnarok Online and their cash shop.

It's never going to change with companies like Warp Portal, EME and Gameforge. They're all crooked. They don't care if their players have a good gaming experience. It's obvious that they're only in it to milk players of their money, while doing as little work as possible, but many people continue to ignore that, letting it slide because "the combat is fun".

Well personally, I'd rather play a game with even better combat that isn't a MMORPG, such as a shooter, because that requires even more skill without the pay to win.
If I want an RPG experience, I'll play Dungeons and Dragons with friends or Neverwinter Nights.

Korean MMORPGs are not fun for western gamers, aside from the few weebs who cling on to this trash, excusing all the faults because "OMG SO CUTE".

Imagine not quitting Tera permanently back in 2013/2014-ish when they began all their blatantly obvious cash grabs, putting in undergarment equipment with stats on it and crap like police cars.

Imagine still going along with it and paying to win for 8+ years.

Go play a real mmorpg where people are rewarded for their time invested or for their gaming skills instead of rewarded for the size of their wallet.

How do any of you still have hope for this game and/or company? It honestly blows my mind.

Hell, I'd rather play Dungeons and Dragons with a group of friends or a Neverwinter Nights persistent world which is the closest online D&D experience.

Tera is pure garbage.

Yup. Like I said many posts ago, no one is holding their breath, but it's good to let them know what we want even with no hope.
There was never any hope like there was with Classic WoW by Blizzard, a company with roots in nerdy and indie game development who, despite being a massive corporation now, still know more or less what gamers enjoy, and don't enjoy.

Korean/Asian MMO companies don't have these kinds of roots. They're made JUST to make money, milking every penny from players and that's it. Period. They're not interested in creating a fun gaming experience what so ever. Haha and their dead and dying games are proof and the consequence of this.

Peace out, grill scout!

Sorry, handsome.
Unfortunately Gameforge did not retain all of the old North American Tera accounts from En Mass Entertainment after En Mass Entertainment stopped supporting their North American version of Tera.
There was a time period where people could have their Tera accounts switched over to Gameforge from En Mass, but it was something players had to do themselves. It was not done automatically.

Being a toxic and impatient player usually goes hand in hand with being an immature person.

Being an immature person usually goes hand in hand with being a young person.
I would guess that, as Tera's quality has dropped consistently over time, mature players, who have more life experience, are leaving Tera for better quality games, leaving mostly young people playing Tera who lack life experience and who don't know any better.

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So, you're always the same guy that keeps coming to this thread and crying about said users? pot meet kettle.

and you don't need to be an active player to know that current tera is massive doo doo right now (I just needed to log in for 1-2 hours to conclude it's current state. ). how is that even a criticism? lmfao

Also, good job on constantly bumping this thread and keeping it relevant.

Lol yup.
Om3Ga loves making that same argument over and over:

"you don't even eat garbage like I do! Your opinion doesn't matter!"

YEAH!

YOU DON'T MESS WITH A MOUNT COLLECTOR!

Gameforge could definitely do better, but to be honest, I think their hands are tied as only being the European publisher for Tera and not the developer.
The main blame for Tera's state should be put on the Bluehole Studios developers. They are the ones making Tera garbage, and Gameforge is simply adapting that garbage over to Europe.

Sure Gameforge could try to adapt it better for a North American and European audience, but maybe they're not allowed to by some weird agreement they have with Bluehole Studios. Maybe all Gameforge is allowed to do is pretty much translate this garbage game into different languages.

Maybe Gameforge actually wants to make good changes to Tera and secretly hates the direction Bluehole Studios is forcing them to take with Tera, but they can't express any of this hate towards the direction without risking their relationship with Bluehole Studios.

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the fact that BHS first "Classic" server was around 2015 patches lead you to guess that the best year in revenue for them was around those patches

No it doesn't. It leads us to believe what we already know. Blue Hole Studios doesn't know what the hell they're doing in terms of quality game design, good game decisions, or good marketing. They started out making a great game with a great combat system. They had a great foundation somehow (must have had different people in charge back then), then their company simply continued ruining Tera for years on end.

LOL You're insane if you think I'm reading your half-hour-long blog post. You're not that important and your opinions and logic are way too flawed for me to give a shit. Sorry kiddo, I just don't have time for bullshit.

I'm guessing you're mostly still in denial about more people liking level 60 content than level 65 content. Keep making excuses for it so you can feel better for all I care.

I did read the part you coloured purple though and had a good laugh at how insanely emotional you must have been writing all this. It's funny how hypocritical you are, claiming all I do is ad hominems then going on a rant about how you think I have schizophrenia.

Stay salty and continue your denial for all I care. People don't agree with you and you don't matter.

You have problems, Sweet.Shiro.Neko.

I wasn't actually doubting that those server merges happened. You didn't need to provide proof because I was clearly assuming you were telling the truth. I was bugging about the proof because you continuously ask me to provide proof for every little thing I say so I was just giving you the same treatment as a joke.

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once again you havent shared anything that is not baised on "what you feel or what your friends feel" backing up what you said.

The hundreds of people who voted on the polling here, and who post things on reddit and the forums are not "what I feel or what my friends feel".
Are you that butthurt about the polling results that you have to make stuff up in your head like "these 900+ votes are just the opinions of a handful of people who are all friends"?

Seriously, lol what is your problem? You can't accept that people preferred 2012 and 2013 content? Is that it?

Yeah just keep dismissing the valid opinions of hundreds of players. Keep plugging your ears when data results in things you don't happen to like. What a child.

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I am not separating TERA from their paying models because some people in this thread said that a Vanilla version with p2p model should be the way to go for the Classic server.

So because some people expressed their preference for a pay to play payment model, YES INCLUDING ME, you're tying the potential success of a Classic Tera server with 2012&2013 content to the unsuccessful payment models Tera had in 2012-2013?

Why?

This is what I'm trying to say. You're not making any sense. You need to separate the content of those years from those years' unsuccessful pay to play payment model, so you can understand what content would actually make a successful Classic Tera server. Your unwillingness to do so makes you look like a person who is desperately looking for excuses to discredit 2012&2013 content.
Again, why so butthurt about the fact that 2012&2013 had more favored content?

If you bothered to read more posts in this thread you'd know that, although I prefer pay to play payment models for MMORPGs, I've admitted that I'd be happy with a free-to-play payment model as long as pay-to-win things were kept out of the cash shops, and there were only things such as cosmetic items/mounts/etc which would make gameforge enough money to sustain their servers.

If you're that afraid of a Tera Classic server repeating mistakes of Vanilla Tera's past, well don't be because when Tera was new to NA audiences in 2012, no one knew anything about how great the game was including the amazing combat. Now they do, so that alone changes whether or not people would be willing to pay to play a Classic Tera. So yes, your logic is flawed. Even if that was unsuccessful still, or if a gaming publisher didn't want to risk a pay to play model, they can switch to, or use a free-to-play model because that has a history of working with 2012-2013 content.

Seriously how are you this dense that I have to explain all this stuff to you. You're only convincing me that you're a troll because you keep going in loops, repeating the same flawed logic over and over.

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distilled1 you forgot to add the fact that the last server we got in NA was on Jun 2015. Meaning the "active player base" kept growing even after that. There is a big diference between "new" player and current active players. Having new blood joining a game will help to fill the ranks when an active player take a break from the game. The game was healthy in that aspect even on 2015. However that is not the case for 2016 where we had the SECOND server merge. The first server merge was on 2012 we passed from 11 servers to 3 servers then the game kept growing in activity even on 2015 as we need a 7th server to be created.

Another thing to take into account was the post I edited to quote and answer Zdzisiu, where I point that one of the oldest EME employee told us in one of his twitch streams about how many players accounts reach end game and even how many of those accounts spend at least once in the game.

What I can see here is that GameForge never had any kind of transparency and/or comunication with EU comunity >.>

I guess you only take what you want to make up your thoughts and not the facts as they are.

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No we're actually pretty much saying the same things now, only I'm being more realistic.
We're agreed that players stuck around in 2015, but by 2016 and 2017 the numbers were dropping.
Only difference between us really is that you're directly relating the 2016 and 2017 numbers with the 2016 and 2017 content, when you should be relating numbers to past content, because it takes time for players to hold on, waiting and hoping for improved content like the content they had in the past, then finally moving on.

For whatever reason, you're not taking this holding on time-frame into account.

It takes time for a game's reputation to change for better or for worse (in Tera's 2015 content's case, WORSE), and affect player numbers and further account creations. It's not instant.

Now I don't see you providing proof of the servers merging from 11 to 3 in 2012, but let's just say it's true.

This isn't indicative that 2012's content was bad. It's indicative that most North Americans did not want to pay money to play Tera back in 2012 before it went free to play, because they had no way of testing whether it would be a game they liked or not, and didn't want to take that chance. It also didn't have time to spread through word of mouth yet because 2012 was the year when the game released in North America.

You really really need to start separating Tera's content from its payment models.

Can't argue with that. Sounds good to me.

I just realized that I've made a big mistake for the past several posts I made.
I've been typing out "2012-2013 content" and "2014-2015 content" when I actually meant "2012&2013 content" and "2014&2015 content".
I am sorry for any confusion.

I personally vouch for 2012&2013 content, and believe that most Classic Tera fans preferred it over 2014 and 2015 content (especially over December 2014 which was the level 65 patch. Most of 2014 aside from December wasn't too terrible. It was still more or less the same game with a few new dungeons and reapers).

Also now that I'm looking more closely at the data Sweet.Shiro.Neko provided, it does indicate what I've been trying to say. How players still stuck around and continued creating accounts through most of 2014, encouraging their friends to play, gaining Tera more popularity, etc. Then players beginning their dissatisfaction with the introduction of the level 65 patch in December 2014.

1) After their first year (from 2012 to 2013), NA Tera had over 1.5 million accounts created. (Evidently, people liked the 2012 content)

2) After their second year (from 2013 to 2014), NA Tera had another 1.5 million accounts created. (Evidently, people liked the 2013 content)

3) After their third year (from 2014 to 2015), NA Tera had another 1.5 million accounts created. (Evidently, people liked the majority of the 2014 content).

4) After another TWO years (from 2015 to 2017), NA Tera only had another 2.1 million accounts created, averaging at only 1.05 million new accounts for the years 2015 and 2016. (Evidently, people began disliking the content they were seeing in the years 2015 and 2016).

The 65 patch came in DECEMBER 2014 (almost 2015). Evidently, people didn't like it, and less accounts were created because of it.

So even the official numbers correlate with the anecdotal proof that many Classic Tera fans show preference for level 60 content (2012, 2013, and most of 2014) vs the level 65 content (December 2014, 2015, 2016).

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Yeah, trying to put things straight. I am good with any version they bring I hope you get that. I only want to provide info about some data that they as a company will look before taking a desicion.

As I told you before, if their own metrics would have been satisfactory about TERA on 2012 or 2013 then its weird they went for a 2015 version of the game in their first classic server attempt.

We as players will chose the game version we are more comfortable with but every head is a whole diferent world, while metrics are always the same and bussiness are ruled by them.

I am certain, and I say this as a hunch, they think the most liked TERA version is between TERA: Rising and TERA Fate of Arun second big patch. How we can convince them otherwise? Sadly we cant, not at least with polls with that low player base participation, not with a forum post that have almots 14 pages but with less than a hundred of users active on it. For them to realize there could be a better option than 3rd or 4th TERA Aniversary versions would be something massive from the people and we cant say the numbers that will be enought for them to consider this as "a bussiness". Not at least with this few people taking part in the topic or in that poll.

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Short answer: We need more convincing things than a forum post with less than a hundred users asking for a classic server and in my opinion that poll requires more backup from the comunity interested in a classic server. A second poll may be needed and one that gets more back up from the comunity. The current one has few flaws that could be polished.

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I think a big factor in why you'd want another poll done is because you're salty and unable to accept the fact that more people legitimately voted for the 60 patch content than they did for the 65 patch content.

As Tadeshi said, there was likely at least 500 legitimate votes among the 900 or whatever.
I'd say it was closer to 700 legitimate votes personally.

Sure bigger poll numbers would have been nice but good luck trying to find old Tera players and convincing them to vote on a Tera poll when they've stopped giving a crap about Tera years ago for good reason.

As has been said many times already, all we can do is hope that BHS or some other gaming publisher introduces a Classic Tera server. God knows Gameforge won't do it.

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Well, you pretty much didnt read or saw the other official sources:

1.- April 2013 - 1.5 million accounts created from official source

2.- April 2014 - 3.0 million accounts created from official source

3.- June 2015 - 4.5 million accounts created from official source

4.- May 2017 - 6.6 million accounts created from official source

5.- April 2018 - 6.6 million accounts created advertising from EME and thus an official source http://www.oneprstudio.com/en-…-sixth-anniversary-on-pc/

This is part of the data a company will look while trying to take a decision. This with other data that we dont get on our hands like average accounts on-line per day, total money spend from them in a time period. etc...

If you go to BHS and tell them that TERA 2012 was an huge success and you show them your reddit links they probably laught at your face, not only them but any serious bussiness will make fun of you when you show them 3 links with discussions that amounts less people than fingers a person have.

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1) You didn't put that link in your previous post so how would I have "not read or saw the other official sources" when you didn't post this link.
2) That link doesn't provide the information you've put in that post. Cool story.

3) You're still talking about account numbers instead of the admiration of 2014-2015 content vs 2012-2013 content.

We already know there is interest in Classic Tera. It's obvious whether Blue Hole Studios realizes it or not. I'm NOT trying to discuss whether or not Blue Hole Studios recognizes the right direction for Tera right now. It's obvious that they don't with their history of running Tera into the ground for years.

What is going on in your head, bro?

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Also are you trying to glorify 2014 and 2015 content by implying that in 2014, 3 million new accounts were created, and in 2015 4.5 million new accounts were created. Because that's not even what the official information says.
The official information is reporting the total accounts created from the beginning of Tera.

So it's actually 1.5 total accounts created from 2012-2013.

Another 1.5 new accounts in 2014

Another 1.5 new accounts in 2015.

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Still you havent provided offical sources to back up your claims and keep your points with only ad hominems. Thats what your brains only are worth.

You posted unofficial data yourself from the mmo population website which gets its numbers from reddit, and then you say reddit is an unreliable source.

Not that this data proves that 2014-2015 content was well-liked compared to 2012-2013 content because it only goes as far back as 2016, so what was even the point in posting that?
Oh right your missing brain.

The only official data you did provide showed that in 2013, the total accounts created since the beginning of Tera was over 1.5 million, and in 2017, the total accounts created since the beginning of Tera rose to 6.6 million.
Still not proving anything in regards to 2014-2015 content being more liked than 2012-2013 content.
Oh right your brain.

*EDIT* aaand you're bringing up the temporary classic server gameforge half-assed again as an argument for why a permanent classic server wouldn't have interest or be successful.
I think that about sums up your intelligence on the matter.

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Hint hint: this is the part where you're supposed to say "LOL YOU JUST GOT TROOOLLLED! I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED!"

I provided evidence of which content Classic Tera players enjoyed. Most are expressing their love for "VM1" and "2012-2013" content on reddit, on the polling, and in Classic Tera threads such as this one.

All you've done with your unnecessarily long post is provided data about the number of Tera accounts created since the beginning of Tera's existence, and are somehow, in your head, equating the continuation of account creation to 2014-2015 Tera content being preferred over 2012-2013 content?
What the hell?
Yeah of course Tera continued to have accounts created.. wow.. good one.

When are you going to show evidence that 2014-2015 content is more well-liked than 2012-2013 content?

Still waiting.

Also nice job making excuses for being a hypocrite by saying all I can bring is ad hominems, while then attacking my character saying I have "ginophobia and xenophobia." Haha

You legitimately are a hypocrite though. You won't provide evidence for your claims that 2014-2015 Tera content was more liked than 2012-2013 content.

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There is a reason why a bussiness takes a direction or NEVER turns their eye on a road they previously step.

Oh really. Is that why Oldschool Runescape, and World of Warcraft Classic exist and are extremely popular?

Oh yes you're such a savvy business man...

The rest of your post is just retarded, asking me why I don't personally provide a Classic server yet again, making inaccurate assumptions about me, and talking about console version of Tera for some weird reason.

Where is your brain, son? Where did it go? I really want to know.

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Most things I speak about you can find them on the internet. Its a know fact 2012 failure, its a know fact TERA server merges from 11 to 2 in Korea, Japan went from 10 to 3 servers, from 11 to 3 in NA, EU went from 11 to 4 on 2012 because of the big failure it was. You can look this on google or any search engine you use. Type "TERA server merge 2012" and you will see a lot of articles about this and the reasons behind it. Its a know fact too that TERA had a good player base growth in 2014 and extended to 2015 too. Probably was not as good in EU than NA but at least in NA in those 2 years the game reached 7 servers with the adition of 3 servers in those 2 years. You can find an articles of this also if you look in google about TERA servers history, like the previous one you will find lost of links to many articles.

Sadly there was an article by EME in 2015 at Steam, that was deleted once GameForge took TERA rights on NA, where EME's staff pointed out that year the active player base grownt by 20k and needed to make the last server we had at that time.

All of this can be found pretty easily however I would love for you to tell me at least the "keywords" to find what you are defending with no evidence to be found at all, while your only "proof" is a baised pool that could be manipulated by who knows how many people and still the numbers that take part on it is really low to bring the attention of any serious company. About this thread, I guess people already admited that the amount of times viewed will go up each time anyone of us open and close a tab to see what was updated. Not really great arguments while all of them are "what few individuals feels". No serious company will take you seriously with that argument.

Zdzisiu yes, I agree with you. A success and a failure has a lot to do with the management from the company who is responsible for the marketing of the product. For this reason and knowing the story behing the current publisher I cant say Vanilla TERA will do better than a later version. Probably this "publisher factor" is not being taken seriously by those wanting a Vanilla server back.

For that reason in this same thread I told in one of my post that the only way for a Vanilla version on TERA to be successful would be that GameForge release the publishers rights on the game.

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So you accuse other people of making things up because they don't provide facts, and then you are also unwilling to provide facts yourself. Instead you just tell me to go look for articles. Okay I did, and there aren't any. So prove it. You're such a hypocrite, man.

Tera went free to play in 2013, and still retained all its 2012 content. 2014 ERASED a large chunk of previous content, and changed a lot of other content for the worse. It's a "well known fact" that Tera's 2012-2013 content was more popular than Tera's 2014-2015 content, and it's a "well known fact" that 2012-2013's content was mainly responsible for the popularity of Tera with 2014-2015 content more or less disappointing people, yet many people still played reluctantly in hopes that Tera would get better again.
By 2016, the game had gone so downhill that even huge Tera fans quit.

What do you not understand about this? It's extremely obvious when you hear feedback from nearly every Classic Tera fan. They mostly disliked the changes that came with the reaper patch or even before the reaper patch. Go look through this very thread for proof. There's your proof. Or go look on reddit or other forums. Go read the responses people wrote in on the poll done here. Maybe the poll was manipulated a bit by you as you admit to manipulating it like a weirdo, but then why are the majority of responses at the bottom still favoring pre-reaper patch?

I don't have to provide you with any more proof if you're unwilling to provide me with proof of 2014-2015's content being more popular than 2012-2013's content.

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Here you go:

https://new.reddit.com/r/TeraO…iss_the_old_days_of_tera/
https://new.reddit.com/r/TeraO…vp_game_ever_created_and/

https://new.reddit.com/r/TeraO…arty_but_i_saw_on_google/

And those are just a few.
Your turn to provide proof of people preferring 2014-2015 content over 2012-2013 content.
Stop blabbing about population numbers during the 2014-2015 era and prove that it's content was actually enjoyed over the 2012-2013 content.
You freaking can't, hypocrite.

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You say 2012-2013 is the most popular era on TERA

I literally didn't. I said that the 2012-2013 content was responsible for building up the popularity of Tera, while the 2014-2015 content was responsible for flat-lining the popularity of Tera followed shortly by the decline in Tera's popularity.

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Now keep giving moot arguments about what you "feel" without any proof to show that 2012-2013 were the best era in TERA.

Kind of like how you keep giving moot arguments about what you "feel"? Where's your proof? Oh right you never actually post any. Just talk.

My proof is the countless people who argue for 2012-2013 content in the forums and in the polling, including the response section of that polling filled with comments about disliking the level 65 patch with reapers and onward.

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TERA Vanilla were one of the biggest failures world wide and the only thing that saved TERA from not shuting down was the money they made after they went f2p and started to sell "loot boxes costumes for females (and particulary one race)". Otherwise this game wont have lasted after 2013 at all.

I'm not even advocating for Vanilla Tera when it was pay to play. I know it wasn't successful. I've already agreed with you on this. Why do you keep bringing it back up?

In regards to you saying it can't last without loot boxes containing costumes for females, where is your proof of this? Oh right you don't have any what so ever. It's all your opinion. A pretty bad one might I add, because I was in guilds with lots of guys who hated the Elins but loved the game back then for it's amazing combat system, and who liked the badass male aesthetics of their characters before the Tera developers started catering to the pedos and Elin lovers above all else, driving badass players out of the game when they saw these changes.

Tera devs are responsible for degrading their game, and reducing their own population.

But I don't expect people like you who remained here this whole time, pathetically clinging to your animu waifus with anime profile pictures to understand any of that. You obviously have terrible taste.
"TERA"ble taste I should say haha~