Posts by Tsumuro

    Nice, and it is like in jail. Ask someone if he is guilty, ofc, he is unguilty. Ask a player if he is using proxy, ofc not. If proxy is not that bad, why everyone decline to use proxy.

    I already never said I was using guide modules to begin with, you're the one who blindly assumed that simply because I said I don't consider them a cheat. Just because I defend it doesn't mean I use it. I would defend any module that's clearly not a cheat. I have used one in the past to learn to learn Bahaar a long time ago because I had some trouble with the waves and my shedule was too tight to spend 5 hours a day wiping there but once I got the hang of it I deleted it again because the constant message spam in the middle of your screen is annoying as hell. It makes learning something a little easier but you still need to learn it. It's no different than having a friend call out mechanics in discord so if you think guide modules are cheats then you must see discord as a cheat too. Before guide modules even existed people would go in voice chat and the people who knew the mechanics would call them out, yet no one complained about that. I always did SCHM, TSHM and FIHM callouts in voice chat, am I a cheat module too now?

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    Also why should any random player tell you if they use proxy. They're not gonna tell someone who clearly hates proxy. You can pretty much assume of every player that they use proxy. It's more rare to find someone who doesn't use it than to find someone who does. Even the most ethical people out there will use it for FPSmanager because that module is almost necessary to play the game even with the best PC's.


    Also I think Ktera added (or will add) beginner guide versions of dungeons that will likely be similar to the guide modules we have now.

    Nice, the first person i would ban for proxy abuse, is you. I stopped reading when you told about dungeon module is not a cheat. No for sure it is no cheat when you dont need to learn a dungeon, cause the module tell you what to do. Lol

    Just cause u guys to lazy to learn a dungeon it is not okay to use a Tool for it.... Man the poor EU community have to learn dungeons.... Man what will the korean guys say to it, since the cant even watch youtube videos at release date and all the europe nerds are even days before release in a perfect knowledge about the new dungeons. And just cause they suc and they are too lazy to learn, they cheat with modules. Embarassing.

    Unlike you, some people actually have a life and a job and don't have hours upon hours to watch videos/read guides/wipe&learn. Also, it's utterly dumb of you to blindly assume I use dungeon guides. Not once have I said that I used them myself. Just because I don't consider them cheats doesn't mean I use them myself. I personally find them annoying as hell because I can't be bothered to read shit while I'm concentrated. I also like to fully know the mechanics. I've been playing TERA for years before proxy even existed. If you think CSN is hard then you'd literally start crying in MCHM, old Kelsaik dungeon+raid and SCHM. I also know plenty of other modules I don't consider to be cheats even though I don't use them. I don't see Skill Prediction as a cheat but I don't use it cause I have 25 average ping. Your reasoning is very poor and you blindly assume everything without using your goddamn brains even once. Activate those braincells for once.

    Of course you stopped reading because you appear to be a mentally deficient narcissist that is stuck in his own bubble of BS, refusing to read anything that contradicts the garbage that comes out of your mouth (or keyboard in this particular case).


    Also, you talk about lazy. Well, "you" is a 3 letter word, yet you are too lazy to type it fully and shorten it to "u". You have no right to call other people lazy when you yourself are too lazy to write full words. Let that sink in for a while.

    Hahaha nice joke. So tell me, how many of the proxy nerds can run the current version of celsaik without the in-out proxy? Must be the last 5% up to your 95%.



    We all know what an huge ammount of modules are aviable in tera toolbox and you cant tell me you just use the pingthingproxy when you can have 100 more proxys which would give you a huge advantage in the game. Otherwise you can tell me how to kill petrax in 8s when you need at least 10s to move to petrax.

    You know there are many many more modules which improving your characters like a buff patch. And when ppl in pvp teleport cause of the pingthingproxy, so you cant Hit them, it is for sure a cheat. This game is full of proxyshit, modules, tools and cheaters and it's all selfmade by the community itselfs. The biggest fault of GF was to allow even the harmless dps tools few years ago and didnt ban them from the start. The community now got what they deserved by starting with this shit years ago. Fishbots, naslowbots and all those shit are the consequences of gameforges no ban politic. Look for players like soaria, who even did youtube Videos of them cheating didnt got a permaban in the past, even when they cheated up to lvl 70 in few days there was no permaban and now bans would let the game die ofc. But as I told, i prefer a dieing game, then a game full of cheaters and proxy users.

    God, you're ignorant as hell. You claim to know so much about proxy, yet you don't even know the name of Skill Prediction.
    1: Skill Prediction gives the illusion of low ping. While your ping to the server might be slightly reduced as well, don't expect a reduction of more than 10-20ms. Skill Prediction is 90% client side. You will feel like you're playing with 20ms but you won't actually have it. This is for people who live far away from the servers so they can play without feeling clunky and slow. I used to play on NA with 150-200 ping and I can tell you it feels horrible. Try to play with high ping yourself before complaining about Skill Prediction.

    Now that I play on EU I have natural low ping (20-30ms). Are you gonna complain that I have an advantage over you because I live close to the server?

    2: I do pvp very often and I rarely have issues with people teleporting due to Skill Prediction. It used to be a big issue 3 years ago but right now I rarely encounter it. Teleporting even happened before proxy existed and was often caused by ping lag and low fps.

    3: Dungeon guide modules aren't cheats. They are just an easy way to learn the dungeon. They don't do anything for you. They don't move your character for you. They just spam your screen with text about certain attacks like IN/OUT on Kelsaik or "back attack" on Bahaar. You will still need to learn mechanics and I don't consider this an advantage. It's just an easy way of learning without having to spend hours watching youtube videos (that don't even always exist). These guide modules are not a cheat. Someone who uses a guide module doesn't have any advantage over someone who actually knows the mechanics. After using a guide module for 10-20 runs you won't even need it anymore, even on Kelsaik. Kelsaik's IN/OUT is very easy once you get the hang of it.

    4: Any actual exploit modules that didn't get blacklisted yet should however get people banned. Modules like Skill Replacer (the module that lets ninjas do flamethrower) for example. However, this isn't the fault of proxy. This is the fault of people who just want to cheat and if proxy is gone they will still cheat. When NA DMCA'd proxy, people were still cheating without it. Blame the filthy cheaters that abuse a program, not the program itself.

    Take a virus for example. Do you blame the existence of programming languages because some people chose to abuse it and make a virus? People can use hotmail to send phishing emails, do you blame hotmail for that? Should we blame mobile phones just because some idiots use them while driving and cause a car crash? Do you blame science for the existence of drug addictions?

    Blame the goddamn people with malicious intentions, not the thing they chose to abuse. Cheaters will cheat, no matter what. Getting rid of proxy won't get rid of cheaters. Report exploit modules on github and report exploiters with evidence to gameforge (for example, report all the ninjas on Moongourd that are very clearly using Skill Replacer).


    If proxy were to dissapear, the one thing that will push people to quit is game performance and lag. Back when we had lvl 60 patch with only vanilla classes, skills were just skills. Now, skills are literal fireworks. You can't even properly see the boss anymore. Proxy enables you do turn off other people's skill effects so you can actually see something and not get migraines.

    Everyone who doesn't live close to Germany will also quit the game due to feeling clunky and slow with their high ping. Blame BHS for these flaws and not the people who try to fix it themselves. You probably didn't play in NA during the time of the DMCA so you have no idea what kind of mess it became. The game was DEAD. LFG was empty all day long, Highwatch was a ghost town, no one bought EMP anymore, no one ran dungeons anymore and the Moongourd uploads for NA dropped to 5% of what EU was uploading. I'd say atleast 80% of the population quit during that time. People even abandoned characters with tons of costumes, gear and laurels and started over in EU. People abandoned characters for which they paid REAL MONEY. People don't just do that for no reason. People did that because the game runs like shit without proxy and it became unplayable for them. The game was so screwed that Enmasse literally BEGGED the proxy devs to support NA again. Getting a game company to do such a thing means the game was on the brink of getting shut down. If Gameforge does the same, then expect the same outcome. Either they will end up begging the proxy devs like Enmasse did, or they can shut their game.


    Now, there are 3 things you can do.

    1: Quit the game and stop complaining.

    2: Be a crybaby on the forums without doing anything productive about the situation.

    3: Actually do something about it. Start reporting/exposing people on various platforms (TERA, github, discord etc). Even report cheaters to the proxy devs. Don't only expose cheaters, but also the cheats themselves. Don't complain about an issue when all you do is sit on your lazy ass being a crybaby on the forum.


    Also, something for everyone in this forum section: Stop crying about what Gameforge did to the fishing system. Unlike you they actually did something productive to improve the situation.

    This is debatable. However if removing things in game is considered a good fix, I suggest they apply a good fix to every dungeon in instance matching. After all Tera's playerbase is a small part of the community of people who play Gameforge's games.

    They didn't remove fishing. They changed it.

    I'm also happy they came up with this fix. Tedious repetitive content is just an open invitation for botters. I hope Nexon won't give us more content that is so easily exploitable. Proxy fishing was just normal fishing but automated. It was bad but it didn't really impact the economy and didn't cause lag because normal players were using it and not bots (the defs/protocols for proxy fishing were eventually blacklisted aswell). It didn't become an issue until a certain person started selling his clientless fish bot script that allowed someone to deploy up to 25 fish bots at once without even needing a client. The full version of this script was 850$ so I'm happy all those people wasted their money and I hope they hate themselves now.

    A ban of all proxy users? Ofc i want to repeat this. Proxy is nothing different then cheating. I rather dont play a dead game, then a game with cheaters.

    Proxy has very little to do with cheating. Banning proxy users won't stop cheating because most cheaters will USE THEIR OWN SOFTWARE. 95% of proxy users use it to make the game PLAYABLE, not to cheat. Educate yourself before talking BS. I played on NA during the time they DMCA'd proxy so I know exactly how it turned out: Dead game and people were still cheating BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T USE PROXY TO BEGIN WITH. Not to mention most defs/protocols that are used to exploit have already been blacklisted by the proxy developpers because THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO CHEAT WITH THEIR SOFTWARE. But ofc you don't know anything about that because you just want to cry and blame a group of people without having any knowledge of what you're talking about. Have some knowledge about this whole issue first, until then shut your uninformed mouth.

    If I used such things I wouldn't need to request a feature that has no need for them them :).

    From what I understand the proxy modders have a single button to target the lowest health players within range and cast the heal all in one button press. I don't want to automate the game I just want to streamline the gameplay optionally adding a feature that lets you press less buttons doing the same thing.


    Starcraft 2, Heroes of the Storm and LoL are games that have similar options.

    LoL and Heroes of the Storm, the tumors of all games.

    Yup so much this. Even selling fish bufffood is useless because of the tokens. Really badly thought out changes overall that killed a fun aspect of the game I literally got into a week ago... Well.

    And you really think you would have still enjoyed it after a month? Fishing is boring grind. It's as boring and repetitive as factory work. It's fun the first week and then you never look back at it again except when you need achievements.

    That's what's my problem is! I am a legit fisher and it got absolutely useless now. Your suggestion would help the "normal" fishers and punish BOTs.

    His suggestion wouldn't fix anything. Learn about how the fish bots actually worked and then re-think what you said.

    By doing that they will just deploy a new set of fishing bots every time the max amount of sales to the association fishmonger has been made. Your "fix" won't fix anything.

    What they did right now is a good fix. Another good fix would be to make bait only obtainable from dungeon vanguards but then people will cry as well because people always have to find something to complain about.

    Well, it was good to earn 10-12k+ gold while you've been AFK for a few hrs, we (players w/o proxy), do not play the game for fishing, but the income is income, everyone needs some +gold ^^

    That 10-12k is worth absolutely nothing with the inflation fish bots have caused. Also stop blaming proxy for fish bots. Cheaters don't need proxy and most of them have their own cheating software. We don't want to repeat what happened in NA in late 2018 do we?

    What happened??


    I literally just started fishing one week ago and it is super fun. I upgraded and bought whiskers to tier 3 and now all of a sudden fishing is completely useless because you can't make any money out of it anymore? HOW is that a good move? I don't think it's fair that legit players like me get screwed over because they are incapable of dealing with bots? Fishing isn't even the best way of getting money in this game.


    That change is just insane to me. Also, I never experienced any lag due to bots or fishers whatsoever.

    This is more about gold inflation than lag. Fishing bots caused TT to go up to 1:2000.

    GZ. Ive started play this game 1 month ago and allways fishing by myself even make my angler whiskers to V and it was long way. Now i leave this game. Cheerrrs. going back to aion

    Imagine thinking TERA is a fishing simulator. If you only play the game for fishing then it's time you start to rethink your priorities.

    That's not an answer.

    Why did EU ONLY lost "fishing" ?

    Why did EU ONLY is despoil from a part of the game ?

    Why did EU ONLY is not keeping this part of the game like the others country ?

    Because the other publishers are too lazy to do anything about it.

    Exploits are here to stay. You all had multiple chances to stop the scripting problem, I myself made 2 topics about this all you did was meme and whiteknight, it's fair to say that you all should ... shut the *sunshine and rainbows* up? Deal with it and that should be the end of discussion, if some cheat so can I and many others, it's only fair and just, eye for an eye.

    Regarding the lag problem you just want the side effect of the script to go away the lag/delay but it is not caused by this, it's most likely due to the very high number of players and the incapability of the servers to properly compute all the information that is being fed to them.

    Ever gave a quick thought about the fact that botters also increase the population of the servers? You probably didn't cause you wouldn't have written such a dumb comment if you did.

    Like i told... Cause GF not able to ban them, enable outlaw and the community will ban them...

    This would work for fishing bots too. Sounds like a perfect solution to be honest. Just kill all the botters. Would be even better if you get rewards for every bot you kill.