Posts by tobtheking2

    I mean, this post is to complain about the long time it takes to upgrade your whole equip, so why would you even consider people who are already done with half of it, proofing that it can be done within like 2 weeks. Kinda defeats your own point


    I mean - its only possible with buying the cash-shop boxes but yeah you're correct its probably better to judge it from the point of view of someone that starts with Full +0 Kaia's Soul equipment.


    So once again - with the current Event the amount of time that you need to spend on grinding the same few dungeons is reduced from 19 months to at least 5 months & 2 weeks but gonna be honest - compared to how Tera was before this is still far away from being somewhat playable. From my own experience there aren't a lot of people that are willing to grind for it or that have enough motivation to even log into the game anymore - heck like 70-80% of my closer friends stopped playing in 2020/2021 and aren't interested in coming back unless they completly revamp the whole loot & gearing situation.

    or are we talking about the fact that you get 1 belt and 1 lumikan mat each run currently? Which is well...a bit difficult cause it only helps for someone that still needs both, but assuming that you only focus on one item at a time or only need gloves for example then the lumikan mats would be useless for you so I'd rather calculate them on their own i guess but yeah if you still need both items then you might be correct.


    Yeah just updated my post. I actually missed it at first but yeah unless you didn't already buy mats before this event and you still need both items then you would be right. But for the people that don't need them anymore its kinda "pointless" so yeah it kinda depends on how far you're already with gearing. If you're still at the beginning then both mats are definitely more helpful than in my example yes - if not then you're gonna need to grind more overall sadly.



    In the case that you still need Weapon/Chest and Gloves/Boots Mats:


    291 NM Mats / 2.80 Mats each run = 103 Runs = 8 runs a day = 13 days but four gear pieces = 52 days for all NM mats


    462.5 HM Mats / 2.80 Mats each run = 165 = 6 runs a day = 27.5 days but four gear pieces = 110 days


    So assuming that you're still Full Kaia +15 and need all Mats evenly then its 162 days with the current event. (Which is still 5 Months & 2 weeks so idk...should still be reduced to 1 month in my opinion - People don't want to grind for half a year until they are done gearing a single character with gear thats gonna be irrevelant in one year anyway.)

    if we go after your calculations its 150 days, which isn't 9 months. That's why i said half a year (read the quote)

    The event adds one mat each run increasing it from 0.80 to 1.80 average


    291 NM Mats / 1.80 Mats each run = 161 Runs = 8 runs a day = 20 days but four gear pieces = 80 days for all NM mats


    462.5 HM Mats / 1.80 Mats each run = 257 = 6 runs a day = 43 days but four gear pieces = 172 days



    80 + 172 days = 252 days = 8 months and 2 weeks



    or what am i missing? no idea how you're coming up with 150 days :elin31:or are we talking about the fact that you get 1 belt and 1 lumikan mat each run currently? Which is well...a bit difficult cause it only helps for someone that still needs both, but assuming that you only focus on one item at a time or only need gloves for example then the lumikan mats would be useless for you so I'd rather calculate them on their own i guess but yeah if you still need both items then you might be correct.

    The sad thing about the current event is that it only cuts the required time from 19 months to like 9 months at best. Which yes is a huge change and helps a ton buuuut... heck even 9 months is way too much in general in my opinion - especially when you are forced to run the same dungeons again and again every single day.

    Stop paying and stop playing and you will have positive results, not at first because it will turn into an even heavier p2w game than it is now because that's the gf logic.

    1.) I - myself - never spend a single € on this game (expect Tera Club which I didn't buy with irl money for 4-5 years now)

    2.) Whether I'm playing or not has no impact for Gameforge (just that my group of friends has lost one more person that stopped playing)


    But as a whole - I agree with you that Gameforge won't change anything unless they're basically getting forced to do something. Sadly we all know that there are enough whales that don't give a fûck and are gonna p2w everything anyway on the first patch day, no matter how dead this game becomes. And as you can see with other Gameforge games - if they aren't profitable enough they are just gonna close the servers so not really the best option either.

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    Forward this Feedback to your higher-ups and to Bluehole.


    1. Increase Dungeon Loot so instead of grinding for 19 months we finally can go back to only 1-2 months for reaching BiS Gear and are able to gear up our Twinks.

    2. Remove all RNG Stats since literally no one wants those and they're impossible to achieve anyway - absolutely no reason to even have those.

    3. Oh and btw - finally fix the same exploits and ingame bugs that have been reported several times already.

    1.) Enchanting Kaia's Soul Gear to Full +9


    Kaia's Soul Gear - Upgrade Chance and required Mats (I WILL NOT INCLUDE THE 0.30% increased chance for each failed attempt beacause lets be real - its too complicated to include that and it overall definitely doesn't make a noticeable difference. You might need like two or three less tries overall thanks to it since its way too small of a benefit)


    from +0 to +1 = 40% Chance and 2 NM Mats each try = on average 100/40 = 2.5 tries = 5 NM Mats required

    from +1 to +2 = 40% Chance and 4 NM Mats each try = on average 100/40 = 2.5 tries = 10 NM Mats required

    from +2 to +3 = 35% Chance and 6 NM Mats each try = on average 100/35 = ~ 3 tries = 18 NM Mats required

    from +3 to +4 = 35% Chance and 6 NM Mats each try = on average 100/35 = ~ 3 tries = 18 NM Mats required

    from +4 to +5 = 35% Chance and 10 NM Mats each try = on average 100/35 = ~ 3 tries = 30 NM Mats required

    from +5 to +6 = 30% Chance and 12 NM Mats each try = on average 100/30 = 3.3 tries = 40 NM Mats required

    from +6 to +7 = 10% Chance and 4 NM & 5 HM Mats = on average 100/10 = 10 tries = 40 NM Mats & 50 HM Mats required

    from +7 to +8 = 8% Chance and 4 NM & 9 HM Mats = on average 100/8 = 12.5 tries = 50 NM Mats & 112.5 HM Mats required

    from +8 to +9 = 5% Chance and 4 NM Mats & 15 HM Mats = on average 100/5 = 20 tries = 80 NM Mats & 300 HM Mats required


    Overall: On average you need around 5+10+18+18+30+40+40+50+80 = 291 NM Mats and around 50+112.5+300 = 462.5 HM Mats to reach +9 on ONE gear piece. (Keep this in mind - this calculation is only true for *one* gear piece but we actually have four to grind for)


    For one Killing Grounds NM Run your whole group usually drops like four nm mats for the whole group so 4 / 5 people = 0.80 mats each run on average.


    To get enough NM mats you need to do 291 (required NM mats) / 0.80 mats each run = ~ 364 NM runs until you get enough mats


    Same case for the HM Dungeons since you also usually get 4 items which get shared among five people so 0.8 HM mats per run.

    For enough HM mats you need to do 462.5 / 0.80 = ~ 579 Runs of the HM dungeons


    Meaning that to get *one* of your four gear pieces to +9 you on average need to do 364 NM and 579 HM Runs = for the whole set of four items you need to 364 * 4 = 1456 NM Runs and 2316 HM Runs


    Also since you're heavily gated by the adventure coins you need to keep in mind that you only have 2400 coins each day and one NM run costs 280 coins while one HM run costs 350 coins meaning that on average you're able to 8 NM runs or 6 HM runs a day. (I WILL NOT INCLUDE THE OPTION TO REGENERATE POINTS WHILE LETTING YOUR PC STAY ONLINE DURING THE NIGHT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR! That should absolutely not be required or included for this kind of explanation!)


    1456 NM Runs / 8 NM Runs each day = just getting the required NM mats alone would take roughly 182 days of only running Lumikan or Killings Grounds NM (depending on which item for Weapon/Chest or Gloves/Boots you currently need)

    2316 HM Runs / 6 HM Runs each day = getting the required HM mats would take roughly 386 days of only running Lumikan or Killings Grounds Hardmode.


    So overall until your group of five players are able to fully enchant their Weapon/Chest/Gloves/Boots you're forced to run NM dungeons for 182 days and then HM dungeons for 386 days = 568 days on average to reach Full +9 for the whole group without buying anything from Cash-Shop. That is one whole year and 203 days - that is roughly 19 months of grinding.


    As a comparison - for the past seven or eight years you were pretty much able to get BiS Gear (meaning Full Vision Maker +15) within like one or maybe two months of actively playing and grinding. We went from like 1-2 months until you reached Max Gear to 19 months until you reach Full +9 Gear. That is completly unbelievable how incredibly grindy this game has become since Exodor & Kaia Soul was released. We need to grind like ten or twenty times more than before to reach the "same"?


    Solution: Increase the items that you receive from running all dungeons by a huge amount so we're finally back to being able to reach BiS Gear after roughly 1-2 months of actively grinding and make everything that drops group-loot cause people have been requesting that for several years already and there is absolutely no reason for you guys not to listen anymore. Everyone that helped to clear the run should be rewarded for it - don't make looting so heavily rng gated. It's a complete joke that you expect your community to grind for 19 months - literally no one is able to reach that without cashing or buying it from other players. All players are gonna lose their whole motivation to even log on anymore and many many more people are gonna stop playing and canceling their Tera Club.



    2.) RNG Stats on Jewelry https://teralore.com/en/item/89805/


    Jewerly Items like Rings/Earrings/Necklace/Circlet have three lines of random stats - each line has 130 (!) different possible stats meaning that you have 1 / (1/130 * 1/130 * 1/130) = 2.197.000 different possible items (!!!) You have over two million different rings that you can drop - can you imagine how hard it is to get perfect or heck even decent/good stats on a single piece? You're better off winning the lottery at this point because you will never be able to get a piece with 3x good Stats on it.


    Also on top of these three rng stats you also have the infusion stats which have 52 different stat options https://teralore.com/en/item/89809/ and have even six possible rolls so in theory if you wanted to get one infusion piece which guarantees that two of the six option get converted to your basic ring. So in theory your chance to get the best infusions is like 1 / (1/52 * 1/52 * 1/52 * 1/52 * 1/52 * 1/52) = 19.770.609.664 different option of infusion items - meaning that you will never get a perfect item. Its just completly impossible since it's so incredible rare. You may have the option to be lucky and get the best stat twice on it but you also have to keep in mind that adding the infusion item to your jewerly also only has a two in six chance to actually give you the two good stats. Most of the time you just one or even two of the other crap stats which forces you to buy another and try again.


    Solution: For the past seven or eight years you were able to simply choose the stats of your jewelry and of your gear aswell. There was absolutely no RNG required and every player had the same basic item (only difference back then was the enchanting level which I already criticized earlier in this post.


    3.) Infusion Stats on Gear: https://teralore.com/en/item/207688/


    As you can see in this link above you have four different options and four different lines for these stats so assuming that you want the best (3280 Physical Amplification Stat) then on average you need to have 1 / (0.25*0.25*0.25*0.25) = 256 Enhanced Duranium Medallion's which currently on Mystel cost like 300.000 gold each so for one gear piece you need to buy 256 Medallion's for 300.000g = 76.800.000 gold but keep in mind that you have four gear pieces so on average if you want to get the best Infusions possible you need to have over 300 million gold just for the infusions alone (!) but even if you had that gold there aren't enough Medallions anyway since they're incredible hard to get.


    Solution: Reduce the price in the Elleon Token's Shop by a huge amount so people would actually be able to farm them efficiently.



    tl;dr: You need to increase the dungeon loot by like 10 times since currently you need like 19 months to reach Full +9 without Cashing. The Community wants to get rewarded to playing. We wanna be able to actually feel some progression while playing. We wanna be able to reach our endgoal. Easiest solution would be - add Double Drop to all dungeons and make everything group-loot so on average everyone gets like 8-10 mats per run which would already be similar to how it was before.

    Also, remove ALL random Stats from Gear & Jewelry because they're not farmable in anyway and its literally just playing the lottery whether you might ever get a good item or not. Also it completly destroys the point of competing with other players since every single person has different fundamental circumstances regarding their damage from gear alone (You can easily gain like +30% more dmg if you compare someone with "good" farmable stats or the theoretical best in slot gear) which is seriously unhealthy for the whole game.

    It's really simple if you would just only once listen to your community and their feedback. We know how this game works and we know why a ton of our friends stopped playing this game in the past two years - because since the Exodor Patch there was only RNG and impossible grind added into the game. It's impossible to keep up anymore - there is absolutely no reason to even run a single dungeon anymore cuz you don't get anything for it. Why would your players even play anymore when they get nothing? When they can't reach their goal of Full +9?


    This game was working just fine before without this impossible grind and without all these rng stats. Remove all of that again and maybe the people might actually enjoy playing Tera again. Everyone knows that this game is fairly close to dying and if this continues then we're gonna lose even more players because 19 months just for getting +9 Gear? And then being forced to also grind for these million of possible RNG stats? How is anyone even supposed to find any motivation for this :rolleyes:

    Meiner Meinung nach sollten alle RNG Stats komplett entfernt werden und jeder Spieler sollte grundlegend sofort das selbe Gear besitzen weil durch diese unnötigen grindlastigen RNG Stats absolut kein Vergleich untereinander mehr möglich ist. Verschiedene Spieler machen einfach automatisch mehr Schaden als andere einfach nur weil Sie Glück mit ihren Stats hatten und jeder sollte ja langsam wissen dass die Chance für BiS Items vergleichbar mit einem Lottogewinn sind von der Rarität her.


    Am liebsten wäre es mir wirklich wenn Wir einfach zu den alten VM-Zeiten zurückgehen würden bei dem jeder automatisch das selbe Gear hatte und es innerhalb von ein bis maximal zwei Monaten auf die höchste Stufe verbessern konnte und Sich daraufhin wieder auf Twinks konzentrieren kann. Was meiner Meinung nach einer der wichtigsten Eigenschaften von Tera war da man mit einem einzelnen Charakter ja sowieso durch Erlebnisgold oder Dungeon-Eintritte limitiert wurde - also war man eigentlich immer gezwungen mehrere Charakter auf dem höchsten Level zu spielen wenn man wirklich mehr als man selbst benötigt farmen wollte und wodurch auch die gesamte Aktivität im Spiel auch "künstlich" verbessert wurde weil man nach Lust und Laune mal entweder zwischen seinem Tank, Heiler oder Damage Dealer entscheiden konnte, je nachdem was die Gruppe gerade brauchte.

    Additional Items in Dungeons

    2nd March 2021 (9 AM CET , 3 AM EST) to 23rd March 2021 (9 AM CET, 4 AM EDT)

    During the event, additional enchantment related items will be available through a plethora of dungeons.

    Drops will be shared with the full group, unless specified as [Single].

    Drop Details

    • Ruinous Manor & Akalath Quarantine
      • 2x Improved Dark Shard Armor Feedstock
      • 1x Improved Dark Shard Weapon Feedstock
    • Catalepticon & Killing Grounds & Draakon Arena & Forbidden Arena [Undying Warlock] & Corrupted Skynest
      • 1x Lumikan's Wing Fragment
      • 1x Tyrant's Belt
      • 1x Magic Alloy
    • Corrupted Skynest (Hard) & Bahaar's Sanctum & Ruinous Manor (Hard) & Catalepticon (Hard) & Crimson Killing Grounds
      • 1x Lumikan's Horn Piece
      • 1x Tyrant's Soul
      • 2x Magic Ingot
      • 1x Trade Chest: Rukmia's Horn Fragment [Single]
      • 1x Trade Chest: Soul of the tyrant [Single]

    Friend, this event is not enough. It still takes several months of running the same shit instance until you on average might be lucky enough to get +9 gear. We do NOT want to grind for half a year to reach "good" gear since we still need to grind for RNG stats aswell. Make BiS Gear achievable within like one month like it was for the past seven or eight years. Just making everything extremly grindy is the worst thing you can do since people are fking tired and would rather quit completly than continue playing for months and getting essentially nothing as a reward.

    Since Bluehole doesn't seem to give a shit about the current state of this game (absolutely no loot in dungeons) I'm gonna propose the following extended event to fix the issue of only one dungeon giving mats and the initial problem of low amount of loot combined into one event. Up to gameforge whether this game is gonna lose even more players cuz lets be real Mystel and especially Yurian are completly dead and it's pretty disappointing to see how p2w this game has become recently.

    I'm just gonna waste my leftover gold from the past few years and try to buy it from Broker. After that is gone there is absolutely no reason anymore to play this game cuz I'm definitely not gonna cash for this shit.

    So yeah - thanks for ruining this game c:

    Big surprise - people are just gonna p2w their +9 gear within the first thirty minutes of the new patch. Meanwhile the ingame loot is gonna be as bad as Lumikan NM/HM so anyone that doesn't want to p2w or has a few million of gold in the bank is forced to farm the same shit dungeon for roughly 6-12 months depending on your enchanting rng.

    Idk literally every single thing in this game (expect the awesome shop Kappa) desperately needs to be updated as soon as possible cuz all of them are just so outdated. Why is so hard to add new items for the ingame options aswell? Meanwhile Cash-Shop is getting updated during the fking patch maintenance every single time :^)

    idk you can't really compare different regions like this since each has their own 'shop/event strategies' and as another person has said, different patches/progression timelines.

    Thats mainly the point though - exactly that shouldn't be the case cause the ingame sources for gold & gearing mats are the same as in Korea. Especially since Bluehole always limits other regions when they wanna add too much stuff into events etc and they justify it by wanting pretty similar or rather almost the same progression for all regions.

    Dear Gameforge & Bluehole - if you didn't notice it yet this game is still completly fucked up. Our economy is completly destroyed thanks to years of exploiting and people not getting banned or punished for it. There are several stories of people exploiting Azart Hatchery for thousand of infusion items, people fish-botting on several clientless accounts, people using skill-replacer on Ninja/Sorc/Valkyries to farm dungeons on several accounts, people exploiting their pets to reduce the cost of making one by 50%, people duping scrolls for rerolling the stats on gear, people duping diamonds or Sea of Honor Voyage Maps and many other items. And pretty much nothing has been done against it - it took several months or even years to fix these known exploits (some still are being abused to this day btw) and thanks to your incompetence our ingame economy is completly fucked.


    Just wanna show some screenshots about the prices of certain items in Korea compared to Europe.


    Unstable Soul Option Change Scroll:
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    Soul Option Change Scroll:

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    Inspired Option Boost Scroll:

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    The last Screenshot is the biggest joke overall. Those are the scrolls that have a 100% chance to add one stat to your gear. In our region they cost 800k gold while in Korea you can buy them for literally only 3k :elin15: also in Korea you can buy improved feedstock for like 100-200g each while here in EU it costs around 4-5k gold.



    When will you guys finally realize how unplayable this game has become? There is pretty much not even a single player left anymore that doesn't throw their money at your cash-shop or that did not exploit any of the mentioned stuff above. For any normal ethical F2P-person this game has become completly impossible so it isn't really surprising that the players that are left are literally feeling forced to either p2w their gear or just try their best to benefit from the (still not fixed) exploits and buy gear from other people that had to p2w it earlier aswell. There is nothing else to do if someone is still interested in the basic idea of playing and somewhat enjoying Tera. You have no other option anymore - either you p2w or you exploit gold to buy it from other players.

    And? Did you consider how many elleon you spend on consumables to actually farm the 100 tokens? And did you open at least 1000 or more so you're actually able to judge the %-chance to get these items? Also you're better of just buying/selling the Enhanced Duranium Medallion and with that gold you can buy the cash-shop boxes which give you much more mats.


    So no - these boxes aren't even that good/useful.