Wouldn't work on EU tho, we're not allowed to multibox, nor able to buy TC for gold, and we'd get VMWA that we can't trade anyway. (unless you want to run 80gg/day).
You can buy niveots instead of MWA boxes / ghillie scrolls. That's roughly 1,3-1,4k gold per bitter/savage/carving/pounding niveot for the price of ghillie scroll, which is less than you can farm off ghillie, but takes no effort/time at all.
Someone explain this dude that this is english part of the forum
Yes Aeq, I know those kind of situations. The blame is of course on the leader. As I said earlier:
Quoteleader being afk/dumb/feeder is the MINORITY of the cases
In this case he was dumb, for not reacting to enemy's moves. And you must agree those kind of situations are not happening in the majority of battlegrounds. You see, my point is: there is a certain kind of hierarchy at the battleground, and it is there for a reason. You misunderstood me, I wasn't saying that you have to always listen to the leader, when you see that he's obviously unexperienced or he's missing something. But we have chat available at battlegrounds. When you see a gap in enemy's strategy, you inform your team about it. I've been in many battlegrounds, when while attacking mid someone saw that inners are empty. He's reporting that fact on the chat, and the leader reacts with notice. If he doesn't - that means he's a bad leader. Again, in majority of the cases - you listen to the leader. If you see that he's AFK/dumb/feeder - then you try to contribute as much as you can, based on your own experience.
QuoteXylo never mentioned anything about being assigned to a ladder. At least I didn't find anything. Maybe I've overread.
He only mentioned he got bored by always defending a ladder and wants to go outside now.
QuoteEverytime I'm assigned to be at the inner wall I tell the leader I won't do it
And when he's openly stating in chat that he won't do it, that just encourages the rest of the team to question the leader. So in effect, noone will stay there. Cause he said no, so why can't I, etc etc.
The most ridiculous thing about this battleground is this simple fact: people won't stay at inners, then the enemy exploits that fact, wins, and then everybody, I mean everybody is like 'ya noobs didn't stay inner, noob team, what a waste of time' while they were the ones that went outside to pvp. Or do anything else but protecting inners.
This BG is about contribution, and I know that defending inners may be boring and doesn't give you much contribution points - but man, you were assigned to it, swallow your pride and take one for the team, because it is the single most important thing to do during the defence round.
It seems you're not getting what I tried to say. For me, it looks like you assume a leader is always doing great, the one and only leader, a living legend, you have to follow his orders, even it means dying 27057 times, just because the leader tells you to do so. Which is pathetic if you ask me, to be honest. You may have noticed already, but just in case you've not, I'll tell you - if no one signs up as a lead, it will go random to a player (afaik the player with the highest Item Level is preferred). Let's assume this lead says "Do what you want." (Which I've encountered sometimes, and I've been to about 400 CS battles, too). What do you do? Go to a ladder while the other 18 are streetfighting outside. The leader goes afk, because he doesn't care much about the outcome.
The only point of my previous post was - let's be reasonable. If a leader tells you to lose the game, of course you don't listen to him, I'm very well aware of that. If he says 'Do what you want', you have no orders to listen, so you either rely on your friends and try to do something useful based on your experience, or actually go and do what you want because of thinking that this is pretty much a lost cause. And you still can do something useful, assuming that the leader is the only one who doesn't want to play in the raid. You still can cover the ladders if you see that other people are actually trying to win, even without lead.
When the leader knows what he's doing, which is the majority of the cases (I don't know if you see this, but if someone incapable of leading gets the leader, he usually asks in chat who wants to lead. And passes it.) then your job is to listen to him. That what I was talking about. There is a raid leader in every raid for a reason, and this reason is to follow him.
QuoteYou lose of course. Whose fault is it now? The one of the 18 people streetfighting outside because they aren't able to use common sense? The lead who went afk? The opponent team because it is to strong? Is it anyone's fault at all?
It is of course the leader's fault, don't know why you put such an effort in a rhetorical question.
What you don't seem to get is this: I am talking about MAJORITY of the cases. And from my personal experience, leader being afk/dumb/feeder is the MINORITY of the cases. So yeah, if you see a leader saying 'do what you want, i'm watching tv anyway' you still can contribute a little if your teammates aren't those kind of retards who go out and pvp with 18 people. Which is the topic of this conversation here.
My point is: you follow your leader's orders. If the leader is AFK, there are no orders at all, so your arguments are really misguided.
Now I'm not saying that you're not allowed to go outside while defending at all. You can, if you're assigned to do it. You can even if you're assigned to defend mid, and see that the enemy is far from destroying the gate and not using ladders. But you simply don't do it if you're assigned to inners. Because if everyone would think like Xylophone, you would always lose due to a lucky airship. Or really anyone who gets to the inner yard.
If the leader tells you to let the enemy team win, do you listen to him because he's the leader due to ILv170 or because he wants the points?
I have been to over 400 CS battles and never encountered such a thing. You know why? Because people want to win, not intentionally lose. Even AFKers don't care about winning or losing, but they rather win than lose, because of higher amount of credits received. Also, I have never encountered a single case of wintrading in CS. So stop making stupid points for the sake of argument, you're terrible at it 
Well I can apply as lead, my ilvl is 169 and so I get lead in 95% of the
cases.
Please don't, since the leader's job is to sit on his behind at inners, scan every cooldown and react properly to enemy's moves. And that is too much of a job for a guy who goes to 20v20 battleground just to pew pew.
QuoteI can just put a random group at the inner wall and then flame
them if some1 gets trough, but that's not the point.
Why would you flame them, since they're acting exactly like you? They won't defend ladders because PEW PEW, so you guys actually share similar philosophy.
QuoteThe point is if you wanna win you can def the inner wall yourself
No, the point is if I wanna win I can def the inner wall with 4-5 other people. Assuming the leader won't assign us to do something else. And then I will do this thing, because when I don't lead I actually listen to whoever does.
Quoteand aslong as there are ppl who bot the game to just stand afk in bg and farm points Idm being flamed for killing ppl outside the outter wall.
I'm just really suprised by your ignorance. If someone is doing something wrong, it automaticly justifies you to do the wrong thing too? That is kindergarden-level thinking.
When there are AFKers, the job of protecting inners is even MORE important.
QuoteI rather be hated by my team and have fun than being bored at the inner ladder.
Then go have fun in TERA's solo content, because I repeat: your idea of having fun in CS is ruining other people's gameplay. Because guess what, most normal people have their fun from an excellent strategy execution and therefore winning the BG. Not from going outside, doing mindless pew pew and not caring about your team (seriously, where is the fun in that? Where is the fun in intentionally being a burden to your team?)
You want to pew pew, go to fraywind. Loser buff you say? Ah, so i get it, you only like PvP when it's not challenging.
You obviously didn't get my point. I am the one who doesn't care if I win or lose, but there are 19 other ppl that do, which is plenty of people that can split on the usefull positions such as inner ladders and get bored to death because they have nothing to do.
Oh I do get your point, that doesn't change the fact that you are incapable of playing as a part of the team. When leader gives you assignment (which can be staying inners, staying mid or going outside or whatever), you listen to your leader - that's why he's the leader. It takes 3-4 more people like you to lose the whole battle, and believe me there are people that do care about elo.
The worst thing in CS is having to play amongst mindless people, who don't listen to their leader and do not execute the strategy. Now you going on like that, publicly bragging about not caring whether you win or lose - I suggest you keep those thoughts to yourself. I agree that the whole point of playing TERA is to have fun - but in this particular case you having fun is making 19 other people mad. And that, my friend, is trolling and ruining other players' gameplay.
Good thing you posted your nickname though, people that actually want to have fun by WINNING CS will know who to avoid. I know I will.
I'm tired of it, which is the reason why I rather go out and lose but have tons of funs with my friends while doing PvP than staying inner and doing nth but win. I don't need the points, I don't need the elo, Idc if I win or lose, all I wanna do in there is PvP and all those ppl that complain about nobody deffing inner ladder shall go themselves.
The only problem is, that you are a part of a 20-man raid. I personally don't care if you don't need points or elo, the goal of CS is to win. If you go mindless PvP at CS because you don't care if you win or loose, I automatically can assume that you are in fact a noob that doesn't know the word: teamplay. I can also assume that you're a feeder, or a complete newbie. Doesn't matter though, what does matter is: while you are out having fun, you are playing against your own team. Therefore, I suggest you to queue for Fraywind or Skyring instead, and leave CS to those who are willing to stay 15mins at inners, just to ensure their team's victory.
1)"Doing both doors" when the subject is CS, you don t have to be a nuclear scientist to figure that I am talking about breaking them. But ofc a trolllike you would forget the original subject.
1)"Premaid", when the subject is CS, you don't have to be a nuclear scientis to figure that he's talking about premade.
Sorry for that, I simply detest people who are hateful with no apparent reason
