Relax Volfry this ll be my last topic and say this story to yourself and friends.
Everyone us can draw their own conclusions
One more thing to say here so maybe you can understand, that thing can be done even without tb, only with ahk if you know what to do. So you better stop talking about scripts and all that and learn more about it, i could easily do it without tb too but as we all agreed as a team that ''we will not use anything and won't risk anything''
I think no more to talk about, ty.
Beside whatever ur first point is supposed to mean.
b) Ever thought you're just bad if that's what you think.
c) You're just proving me that u pull shit out of nowhere, there are no scripts that influence the cd in any way, not gonna get into details since you've just proved that you're clueless about how anything works, but yes that's server sided and can't be manipulated if that was one of your beliefs.
Also nobody said u called people "low IQs" was never addressed at you.
All i know is you cant go more than 20-30 HPM in Shield barrage without special sause and above all 90% of the lancers dont have more HPM than this ........and mister grandmaster here has 100HPM
I dont need to explain more than the guy who created the script. I posted the screenshot with the login info from ultimate lancer already.
The creator literally begs people not to abuse it.
I guess only this counts as cheat for you .
5 times more HPM than normal GOOD ------ 15 times more BAD
All i know is you cant go more than 20-30 HPM in Shield barrage without special sause and above all 90% of the lancers dont have more HPM than this ........and mister grandmaster here has 100HPM
I dont need to explain more than the guy who created the script. I posted the screenshot with the login info from ultimate lancer already.
The creator literally begs people not to abuse it.
You're clearly living in 2018 if you think 20-30 hpm in SB is what people in vanilla get these days, that aside, as i said you're clueless and just bark for the sake of it, the creator wasn't begging for people to not abuse it, he straight up restricted it, but I guess you're not up to date, since all you see is screenshots from weeks ago that people repost.
I didn't want to have anything to do with this, but truth be told, this shitstorm happening was to be expected, sort of.
Before delving into the actual topic, I will first speak for myself - and myself alone - here and say that I didn't cheat. It's unfair for any of the parties involved in this tournament, even more so when it is a competition for real money. Whether or not any person in the party (or others) cheats outside of it or not is of no concern to me in this however, I've been asked by said party - and only that one - to participate in this tournament, and I accepted the offer, so long as I get to play the game, that's all that matters to me, simple as that - not like there was much choice to begin with. A statement that applies to both this tournament and the game itself...
Unlike my party members I did only record a few (failed) stage 51 attempts - which I'll gladly upload if needed - and that's all, as I saw no reason to do so otherwise - the ingame meter logs having the capacity to track suspicious activity regardless, according to Bluehole. I'm sceptical enough as to not take their word for that, and am pretty certain that in one way or another exploits, scripts or whatnot of any form may/can be abused regardless. This sort of thing needs a different form of controlling, but current ideas either violate EU law (i.E. XignCode) or are just not in Bluehole's budget interests or whatnot (i.E. an ON-SITE tournament, good luck trying to cheat there and getting away with it).
Let's be real here though, with the small playerbase, this tournament could hardly be considered a competition regardless, but I'll get to that. As it stands for me, I will NOT participate in another tournament of this kind if no changes are being made to the way they are controlled and conducted.
Anyway, so much for myself.
Now to the actual tournament:
First of all, congratulations to all winners, including the ACTUAL second and third place winners from all regions, that being the one party from Yurian, and the other one from Mystel (?) on EU servers, for example. You rightfully should have deserved your titles and I personally think the way this was handled was just poor event management at its finest. Why it was so difficult to seperate the best runs for every group individually is beyond me, but I'll save my rant here for now if it is truly so that this was in the hands of Bluehole. Needless to say, only the best run of any given group should count for the actual ranking, and not each individual one. It defeats the whole purpose of having such a ranking at all, as the best party of any given region will ALWAYS either try to beat their time if they hit a plateau (especially when another region is on the same stage, which was the case here), or attempt to go higher, to a stage which the other parties may or may not be able to even reach.
Anyway, Korea beat the other regions to it, and while it most certainly is due to skill, there are however a few points where I sadly can not deny that the tournament's outcome as a whole was just predetermined from the start, and as such, in a way, doomed to fail.
Not to say that Korea had an unfair advantage, but having the dungeon for almost 2 months ahead of other regions gives them, naturally, an advantage in experience and skill in it and more time to strategize/gear according to it. This is something no other region, save for Japan who were barely a week ahead of us, had. (And to those claiming AAH Resonance is an old dungeon, I beg of you, please enter it yourself, especially the higher stages. It is very much different from what you may be used to, especially if your dungeon effect RNG is just bad.)
Now, other advantages are naturally the better ping and stability that Koreans and Japanese enjoy due to significantly more modernized and better network infrastructure in their countries, but those factors are out of control for Gameforge and Bluehole (and again, an argument for on-site-Tournaments, as they eliminate that factor for the most part). And no, scripts are not an equalizing factor for this on other regions at all. Claiming this is utterly delusional.
The biggest factors here however were lack of class balance and players. Let's be real - a party that didn't have at least 2 Warriors would hardly compete with any other party composition, all of the winning parties of their regions having had such. Some classes could hardly output the damage to even be considered competitive above stage 45. This is especially bad for party setups that are balanced between physical and magical classes. Unless you do all balls during the mechanic every time, which costs DPS again (due to having to destroy them all), the boss is just going to gain stack after stack of either physical or magical resistance.
As such, an optimal party setup would be to take 3x physical or magical classes (preferably physical, since tanks are always physical, and their damage actually matters in higher floors). There are also some discrepancies with the balance of tanks right now, with the Brawler Rhythmic blows just being absurdly powerful and outscaling Adrenaline Rush, which again, was reflected in the rankings. (Had I had a choice, I would have gone for a brawler party as well because of this. But as mentioned above, there was none.) ...Point being, if classes are not balanced, and a dungeon heavily favours one class, then all this tournament does is just promote the most meta setup to be used for a guaranteed win, which in this case, happened here, sort of. Kudos to the Korean Archer on that note.
Of course, this is something that plagues other games as well, but to a much lesser extent as they still are way more balanced, so much so that better skill can still prevail over minor imbalances.
And that leads to the final problem... the lack of players. Because even if we want to believe it is like this, let's be real, does any server have enough people of such a skill level to even create an actual competition at least on a regional level? If we combine this with the earlier issue of lacking class balancing, I am fairly convinced that it does not. Too many players quit, for whatever reason, to make this a possibility anymore. And the ones that are there are scattered on many classes, some of which are not even viable for the high end stages of the tournament as established earlier.
As such, I am sorry to say, but I believe this tournament was doomed from the very beginning.
Bluehole needs to put emphasis on creating a more controlled environment for it, creating a MUCH better balance in both dungeons and classes and avoiding mistakes such as including multiple runs from the same party. It worked for the WDC, so why not for the regional competitions? And finally, if a competition is meant to be fair, give every participating region the same amount of time to prepare and train for it. This is something that Korea, and to much a lesser extent, Japan, had on every other region. We could of course talk about providing equalized gear as well, but if the competition is held on official servers, that would just defeat the whole purpose of gearing at all.
...but alas. It's Bluehole we are talking about.
Rant over, Amen.
Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukkah and a Happy new year.
These mad lads actually hosted a tournament with Actual Cash prizes in a game with notable problems with exploits and scripting, and were expecting people to break from the usual and NOT cheat.
forget the semantics of what constitutes "cheating" , unless the game actually was secure from the start this was a shthead idea to begin with...
gz to the winners....i guess and i for one welcome our new robot overlords.
Hello, the rankings are now updated: World Dungeon Challenge: The Winners!
Congrats on the decision and doing the right thing, but as always only because of the public backlash.
I will first speak
u r the best and i think u deserved all the titles, dont listen to the haters
First of all, Exitlag doesn't alter the packets themselves, only the routing, while ngsp emulates the skill on the client side, but am sure you're "high iq" and know that already, I don't know what point you're trying to make, ngsp emulates 0 ping gameplay, which is impossible to get. You can't compare a packet manager software to a VPN, and say "yes they're the same", because they're definitely not, but well, you seem to be pretty "high iq" and should know that emulating something that's not achievable in vanilla is "cheating", while the reason why skill prediction was developed is a good cause, it doesn't make it any more ethical than any other script. But well, seeing your reasoning, i bet you and many other used skill prediction in the tournament and thought "i'm ethical/vanilla".
Anyway, you could do your research and at least google why NA Tera lost most of their playerbase a few years back, (hint: it's related to toolbox being bannable)
1) 0 ping or 5 ping is something u can't tell. I've had LAN experience and since in Europe its not possible and in Korea you can(very close) therefore there is an advantage on game mechanics and experience, if you improve this for me its not cheating. its making the game equal to everyone and this is legit. doesnt matter if using 3rd party software for this! stop making a case based on a stupid rule.
Once again dont put the so called "90%" in the same trashbag.
If this party didnt cheat only in the tournament it was not a fair fight even for them since they(ktera) get a better gaming experience than us (EU)
THE WHOLE POINT IS SEPARATING GAMING EXPERIENCE (conditions) from auto scripts/cheats/hacks wtvr you wanna call it.
2)I didnt participate on tournament
3)If the way to end this is blocking toolbox. it's the first step, but this means changes- adding sponsored software etc etc. but we all know its not gonna happen.
4) Last but no least: my post WAS NOT a reply to you just so you know.
To all the mortals who talk shit about Assazinchen; May god have mercy on your souls, because he won't.
As such, I am sorry to say, but I believe this tournament was doomed from the very beginning.
"You've made your post at last, Assa. Sorry you got twisted up in this scene.
From where you're standing it must seem like an 18-carat run of good luck.
But, truth is... the game was rigged from the start."
Good post, nice structure but it's all just common sense which alone tell enough of the story.
As its only post that made any sense in this thread. :- D
Anyway GZ, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!
I just want to point out that the use of scripts does directly effect the tournament.
Scripters would naturally does more damage using less brain with the help of class script and dungeon guides. That would lead to faster and more efficient farming and then of course better gears.
And no surprise that the tournament is not equalized (which is a very dumb idea). A few percent difference in gear is probably enough to make the difference in ranking.
Not to mention the fact that the scripters should have all been banned in the first place.
So I would say scripters defending themselves here have very few legs to stand on.
