Request to disable non-standard consumables from affecting Leaderboard

  • Request to disable non-standard, stat-affecting consumables from affecting Leaderboard ranking.


    - PvE Leaderboard is one competitive aspect of the game which motivates old player and new players to party together and attempt to rank, as well as study and research the game to maximize group synergy and therefore minimize clear times in select Leaderboard-designated instances.


    Reasons to disable select stat-affecting consumables and enable select others :

    - Allowing consumables that are not available to all players is limiting the playerbase from participating in a competitive aspect of the game. this has an domino effect of diminishing the endgame playerbase. for instance, the end goal for upgrading gear and leveling up is for the players to clear instances. once players have upgraded enough clear end game content, it is most natural to try and complete the content faster and therefore upgade to the gear's end, which is innately competitive.

    - However when players became satisfied with their current status and ability to clear content, there is no reason to upgrade any further. this in other words means there is no reason to play the game. competition adds that external motivation to upgrade and maximize gear efficiency to stay competitive against other players or other groups of players. Leaderboard makes this transparent.

    - Consumables that are not available to all players gives a competitive edge to select players only, making them dominant over others artifically. and since Leaderboard displays the clear times of instances, this creates a gap between those who have the limited consumables and those who don't. this is especially true when select consumables are blocked behind a pay-wall.

    - Standard consumables are obtainable through in-game means. this means that players can spend time in-game, via farming aspects such as hunting monsters, completing quests (Vanguard Requests), etc. -- purchasing consumables from credits obtained from the said routes is considered as well.

    - Standard food consumables are obtainable via crafting through the Cooking profession. with time and patience, there is no restriction on gathering materials to craft food consumables. through Gameforge's publishing, select food consumables are also available by exchanging Elleon's Mark of Valor (151643) which can be obtained through clearing party instances.

    - Standard Rootstock Festival consumables are obtainable via a seasonal festival. though it may seem limited, this limit festival event returns at least once a year, allowing players to harvest and stock up on the listed consumables as necessary. play time is guaranteed and is an effective way to enjoy one of the few seasonal contents in the game. most importantly, alternatives of equal effects are obtainable by crafting.

    - Non-standard combat consumable are listings that are 1) no longer obtainable, 2) obtained by special means only, 3) obtainability is extremely limited. for example, Seal of the Undying Flame (152905) is a combat-affecting consumable that had a very low chance to obtain through the Demon's Tome event, which most players who did obtain them had to resort to purchasing Demon's Tome loot box items with real money.

    - Event consumables are most notably consumables released by BHS for Lunar New Year (Tteokguk and items) which have been retrospectively configured to not work in Leaderboard instances. others include Castanica Summer Festival items, but adhering to the 3rd criteria of its limited supply, was included here instead of a different list such as how Rootstock Festival consumables are listed.

    - Note that partials of lists also include consumables obtained from events, but exhibit effect equal to select other ones in the list. for example, Friendly Noctenium Infusion (81212) is not as viable, but exhibits the same effect as Noctenium Infusion (1206) which is largely obtainable through various routes.


    - One method and currently working method of preventing usages of select, non-standard consumables in Leaderboard-instances is to disable the effect (abnormality) upon entering the said instances. however as BHS has self-claimed, the clear times of non-KR regions of instances have been visible longer than KR region, which justifies the making and usage of non-standard consumables. i must rebute saying that this is only justified when those non-standard consumables are available to all players at all or most the time, and that is not the case.

    - Another method and one i personally vouche for is the prevention of instance clears using non-standard consumables to be logged on Leaderboard for ranking. this allows players to keep and use non-standard consumables for clearing content, as well as making sure that the competitive.


    - What makes competition work is that players compete with predefined rules and regulations. TERA's Leaderboard has some rules but is not regulated, allowing usage of new or region-specific consumables leak into Leaderboard rankings. in NA, specifically Velik server, this has led to a competition between maybe a dozen players. the rest of the players cannot fathom to stay competitive, and resort to basically giving up on min-maxing. using the above reasoning, this means many players who had hopes to compete no longer have any reason to play the game any more. there are more players selling gear and saving up than posting LFGs to find groups to run instances and play the game. this is not an aspect of the game that publishers can ignore, competitive can keep the game alive. this is why PvP games have a better chance at keeping an active playerbase than PvE games because competition is the content -- the players are the content. without competition, exhausting content is quick -- end game instances released in TERA have been cleared in less than 24 hours. this is especially true for non-KR regions that are able to look ahead and study up content from KR before it is even released. if the content by BHS cannot be replenished fast enough, the publisher must at least keep the competition through Leaderboard active.


    - The following lists are based on v105 of the game, and may differ in future versions of the game. the list also considers duplicates that vary only by obtainability. for example, Lein's Dark Root Beer (80081) and [Event] Lein's Dark Root Beer (206045) are listed together.


    Standard consumables include :


    - Everful Nostrum (149295, 152898, 152899, 153103, 153104, 153105, 184659, 184660, 186783, 201005, 201006, 201007, 201008, 201022, 201220)

    - Minor Battle Solution (156032, 156035, 200997)

    - Major Battle Solution (156033, 200998)

    - Prime Battle Solution (156034, 156036, 156037, 200999, 602186)

    - Bravery Potion (444, 150542, 202015, 201221, 202015, 602187)

    - Elite Bravery Potion (186782)

    - Noctenium Infusion (1206, 1210, 1230, 1300, 1301, 1302, 1303, 201225)

    - Friendly Noctenium Infusion (81212)

    - Uncommon Noctenium Elixir (200920, 201278)

    - Rare Noctenium Elixir (200921, 201279)

    - Superior Noctenium Elixir (200922, 201239, 207290, 207463, 602188)

    - Multi-Nostrum (207546, 209375)

    - Philter of Bravery (81179, 95206)

    - Standard food consumables


    Standard food consumables include :


    - Feast (7218, 88801, 209202)

    - Melsa's Triple Feast (71474, 201224)

    - Friendly Feast (81209)

    - Boiled Egg (206010, 206030)

    - Fish Fry (206011, 206031)

    - Steamed Fish (206012, 206032)

    - Fish Soup (206013, 206033)

    - Fish Steak (206014, 206034)

    - Fish Fritters (206015, 206035)

    - Pickled Fish (206016, 206036)

    - Spicy Fish Buffet (206017, 206037)

    - Hot Fish Buffet (206018, 206038)

    - Salty Fish Buffet (206019, 206039)

    - Refreshing Steamed Kirash (206054)

    - Astonishing Steamed Kirash (206055)

    - [Special] Refreshing Steamed Kirash (206058, 207291, 207464)

    - [Special] Astonishing Steamed Kirash (206059, 207292, 207465)

    - Fruit Wine (206024, 206044)

    - Lein's Dark Root Beer (80081, 206045, 209204)

    - Standard Rootstock Festival food consumables


    Stardard Rootstock Festival food consumables include :


    - Floretta Soup (71413)

    - Moongourd Muffin (71414)

    - Popped Cobseed (71415)

    - Mudroot Salad (71416)

    - Grilled Pigling (71417)

    - Lamb Bulgogi (71418, 88800, 156027, 201223, 602189)

    - Struthio Breast Salad (71419)

    - Shevranberry Cookie (71420)

    - Half-Moon Croquette (71421)

    - Traditional Bleakfields BBQ (71422)

    - Freeholds Flame Salad (71423)

    - Bleak Wings (71424)

    - Freeholds Special Blend (201252, 201280)


    Non-standard combat consumable examples :


    - Federation Savage Draught (113)

    - Friendly Powerful Savage Draught (81227)

    - Tempestuous Savage Draught (150538, 150539, 150941, 150942)

    - Inexorable Savage Draught (150540, 150541, 1509403, 150944)

    - Canephora Potion (150543, 167001, 216616, 216617)

    - Strong Canephora Potion (150534, 150535, 216618, 21619)

    - Strong Bravery Potion (150532)

    - Bravery Potion II (156031)

    - Strong Bravery Potion (150533, 186780, 186781)

    - Combat Accelerator Potion (150939, 150940, 856244)

    - Emblem of Eminence (152903)

    - Glorious Memento (152904)

    - Seal of the Undying Flame (152905)

    - Ultra-Hard Blade (201959, 201960)

    - Ice Whisper (155608, 155609) (NA : On Ice Effect)

    - Fiery Fervor (155610, 155611) (NA: On Fire Effect)

    - Event consumables


    Event consumables include :


    - [Event] Pumpkin Squash (201235)

    - [Event] Watermelon Juice (201236)

    - [Event] Beef Bulgogi (201237)

    - [Event] Red Bean Tteokguk (204479)

    - [Event] Mandu Tteokguk (204480)

    - [Event] Egg Tteokguk (204481)

    - [Event] New Year Rice-cake Soup (204482)

    - [Event] Adrenaline Syringe (206770)


    Consumables not considered :


    - Kaia's Dedication I (139100, 166586, 166697, 200525)

    - Kaia's Dedication II (139101, 166587, 166698, 200526)


    The above consumables were not considered because Kaia's Dedication is only available to use at low levels and most of the competition lies at end game where players have already reached max level (level 70).

  • I mean i like the post. But do you really think CM's are gonna read that amount of text?

    I tried so hard, and got so far... but in the end, it doesn't even matter...

  • I wonder if the CM will bother to even look up this thread, because surprisingly she/he often answers in other topic within 2-3 hours of their opening date which is made about a general question, but no reply to this thread still nor she/he did apply to the previous one even after a month.

    Weren't these supposed to never come back ever again?


    Not suspicious at all.

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  • I wonder if the CM will bother to even look up this thread, because surprisingly she/he often answers in other topic within 2-3 hours of their opening date which is made about a general question, but no reply to this thread still nor she/he did apply to the previous one even after a month.

    Weren't these supposed to never come back ever again?


    Not suspicious at all.

    You have to look up to which topics CM answer. Tob and me made a bunch of threads about Loot Situation etc at the beginning of Soul Kaia and there was not a single answering statement from CM. They may will read it but the communication with Players is really missing, the only message you would get in most cases: This topic is forwarded.

  • Hi there, thank you for the detailed feedback ,we will forward it to our team, however at the moment we don't have anything new to add about this topic/request.

    If there will be any change in the future, you will be informed.

  • Hi there, thank you for the detailed feedback ,we will forward it to our team, however at the moment we don't have anything new to add about this topic/request.

    If there will be any change in the future, you will be informed.

    See nothing else as I said? But hey at least we got a confirmation. Maybe I should work as clairvoyant...

  • Isn't it ironic how you have to continue calling them out to even write a typical copy/paste answer to important feedback threads but in the end nothing happens anyway.

    Done.

  • I really hate all this pay 2 win shit they keep tossing at us, these pay 2 win consumables are cancer to the game.


    my 2 cents

  • Hi there, thank you for the detailed feedback ,we will forward it to our team, however at the moment we don't have anything new to add about this topic/request.

    If there will be any change in the future, you will be informed.

    Hahahahhahahahahah


    That was exactly what ppl expected you will answer. Great, now u silenced them until this request will come back next year.

    Man you allready forwarded this a year ago. Ghost.

    How can u sleep well with all the lies?