Tera Classic Server Poll and Discussion (Consolidated)

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Ever since you joined this thread all your posts have been ad hominems + baised arguments + unreliable data.

1. The pool you claim as a proof had no anti robot checks and no other wall to ensure us at least the minimum to think people could have manipulated it. You could have voted there as much times as you wanted. You didnt need a mail check, there was not a machine check, there was not an ip check, there was nothing of the sorts. You cant claim this as a reliable source if anything is a flawed source of data.

2. You provided 3 reddit post that didnt amount even a hundred post and even less people participating on it. One more time, you are proving here you are living in a made up world that only suits your standars even if they are a lie.

3. You said "you cant accept people preffered 20212 and 2013 content?" and I told you again thats not what I am arguing. Ever since the beggining my posts have been tied about 2 things: a) What could be the best patch to run the classic server and b) What should be the bussiness model for it. At least the data I have shown makes sense why a publisher will favor patches after TERA Rising rather than Vanilla while you cant bring anything but ad hominems, baised arguments and unreliable data.

4. Yes, the bussiness model of the classic server will have an huge impact regardless of built they chose. This is actually 1 of the 3 most important things when making the decision. The other will be the patch build obviously and the game progression system, at least from my perspective.

5. Active player base kept growing after it went into f2p. At least from NA is went from 3 servers up to 7 and the last server added was on Jun 2015. This provided us that people up to this point continue to favor TERA content, this is a fact and you dont have any way to show metrics that can say otherwise. You keep saying that people kept playing from 2012 up to late 2015 or earlier 2016 but they got feed up with things that piled up, something that has some true but you cant prove it. However in bussiness if you ever have managed one you can see that a decision can show their impacts in the short term but you are so focused without any proof that the decisions only had impact in the long term. I already told you what happened in NA servers in the end of 2015 around Forsaken Island Hard Mode with desicions made by the management that created a big uproar in their forums followed by the removal of Island of Dawn as starting point around November 2015. If we add that TERA didnt had proper marketing for NA after Steam release you can see how their decisions made impact in the short term and it went even worse when the comunity got to know about the removal of Alliance and Crusades from the game in 2016, that we knew 3 months or more before hand because it was announced on K-TERA and we had people showing their patch notes in EME forums. These were the main factors who lead a big lose of players and a drop in new players influx, ended in the server merges from 7 to 3 in September 2016. There is a lot of logic into that but you are trying so hard with nothing to back you up that all of this was not because their decisions in the same patch but rather you keep trying to discredit the success of 2015 with your own baised ideas. There is something called schizophrenia and your behaviour is pretty much what it describes it "a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behavior, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation."

6. In one of your past post you touched something that in my perception holds a lot of truth - "People should pay for their entertainment, and I'm more than willing to. It beats the hell out of having a "free to play" game that ends up costing you an arm and a leg in micro-transactions just to be competitive." - This is pretty much the mix of a bussiness model and the game progression model. They tied both and this is one of the biggest issues with the game, once again in my perception. A lot of people frustrated not only now but over the patches have some similar words. this is a constant complain from the active player base and from retired players aswell, however it looks like this bussiness model works better for them even if they keep losing players left and right because if you or I are not willingly to pay for game progression it looks like there are enought players willingly to spend thousands first day a new gear is released only to remain competitive. I could say they are addicted, that they dont like the game but they feel pushed to spend the money to remain competitive, that they are not happy but I dont have means to prove it so for a bussiness stand point if they keep whaling then the bussiness model is working we cant fight back against this if we cant actually provide reliable data to them and proof that could lead them to take a diferent model bussiness.

7. You continue in every sentence from your post always using ad hominems, baised logic arguments and unreliable data. This keeps in a loop because this way of you to try to argue and refute others stand points.

LOL You're insane if you think I'm reading your half-hour-long blog post. You're not that important and your opinions and logic are way too flawed for me to give a shit. Sorry kiddo, I just don't have time for bullshit.

I'm guessing you're mostly still in denial about more people liking level 60 content than level 65 content. Keep making excuses for it so you can feel better for all I care.

I did read the part you coloured purple though and had a good laugh at how insanely emotional you must have been writing all this. It's funny how hypocritical you are, claiming all I do is ad hominems then going on a rant about how you think I have schizophrenia.

Stay salty and continue your denial for all I care. People don't agree with you and you don't matter.

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I'm going to remind you your own words in your second post in this thread, btw a post you made even before I joined this discussion:

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Fact is, many people want a Classic Tera server on PC. I can't speak for all these types of people, but I can speak for myself and my friends who loved Classic Tera.

If we go to your second post and even since your first post everything you have said here has been: Personal Attacks, Baised arguments and unreliable data.

This quote from your second post in this thread let us know that you where the first one between us to speak about "facts" but you havent brought any reliable data to back up your claims. This has been on circles and ever since the begining all your post are in the same way: Personal Attacks, Baised argumens and unreliable data.

SO when are you going to bring reliable data, proof and real data that can support your claims? You have nothing of the sort in all your post in this thread so the only hypocrital being and one who lives in denial and is a schizophrenic is only you.

You tell others they are baised but you continuosly made baised arguments yourself and try to sell them as if they were facts.

You kiddo, need profesional help.

To be honest nobody make here objective arguments. The most important for company is revenue, after that is retention. This data was never published and there is no company that will make so important data public. Data like number of created accounts is completely not important and can be used only for marketing.

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To be honest nobody make here objective arguments. The most important for company is revenue, after that is retention. This data was never published and there is no company that will make so important data public. Data like number of created accounts is completely not important and can be used only for marketing.

This is from my very first post in this thread.

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The real question is... Will GameForge make enought profits from a Classic server?

Not about accounts created, basically throwing a question around the revenue aspect of that idea and as you said no one here outside from GameForge or BlueHole have proof to support our idea of a Classic server will be a successful one when we talk about revenue. However the fact that BHS first "Classic" server was around 2015 patches lead you to guess that the best year in revenue for them was around those patches and even this guess could be wrong but it woulnt make sense a company will make an attempt with something they already had metrics and not using their best choice.

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the fact that BHS first "Classic" server was around 2015 patches lead you to guess that the best year in revenue for them was around those patches

No it doesn't. It leads us to believe what we already know. Blue Hole Studios doesn't know what the hell they're doing in terms of quality game design, good game decisions, or good marketing. They started out making a great game with a great combat system. They had a great foundation somehow (must have had different people in charge back then), then their company simply continued ruining Tera for years on end.

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No it doesn't. It leads us to believe what we already know. Blue Hole Studios doesn't know what the hell they're doing in terms of quality game design, good game decisions, or good marketing. They started out making a great game with a great combat system. They had a great foundation somehow (must have had different people in charge back then), then their company simply continued ruining Tera for years on end.

As Focus Game Tester and someone who played this game on KR server and from EU release I can confirm it. Basically every patch even if bring something new to the game also destroyed some good points of previous build.

And I guess this is the reason - https://www.gamesindustry.biz/…ealing-lineage-iii-assets

How is this thread still going

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How is this thread still going

isn't it obvious? there is interest.

just longing for the good old days when tera had content besides 3 dungeons and a horse's head

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isn't it obvious? there is interest.

Ur literally 3 people replying to each others

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Ur literally 3 people replying to each others

So? it can be two people talking to each other about said subject of the thread, and there are other posts that are not replying to others and just giving their piece.

I don't see whats the issue here. what is your point?

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Ur literally 3 people replying to each others

Learn to count.

It IS always the same people crying for a "classic" server. And they are not even active players.

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It IS always the same people crying for a "classic" server. And they are not even active players.

So, you're always the same guy that keeps coming to this thread and crying about said users? pot meet kettle.

and you don't need to be an active player to know that current tera is massive doo doo right now (I just needed to log in for 1-2 hours to conclude it's current state. ). how is that even a criticism? lmfao

Also, good job on constantly bumping this thread and keeping it relevant.

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So, you're always the same guy that keeps coming to this thread and crying about said users? pot meet kettle.

and you don't need to be an active player to know that current tera is massive doo doo right now (I just needed to log in for 1-2 hours to conclude it's current state. ). how is that even a criticism? lmfao

Also, good job on constantly bumping this thread and keeping it relevant.

Lol yup.
Om3Ga loves making that same argument over and over:

"you don't even eat garbage like I do! Your opinion doesn't matter!"

Don't you guys have a new poll to fake and send it to the developer?

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Don't you guys have a new poll to fake and send it to the developer?

Don't you have other threads to derail like you do now?

all the way back in the Second page of this thread, you directly started to attack other users. and still gameforge's lovely community management ignores you.

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Long text full of bullshit + some fanboy fantasy world poll.

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Says the one that played this game for a month and than left. Just to come back multiple times and play a few days to just leave the game again. You are a casual.

I compared to you played from the beginning and never left till today.

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The only thing i see here are some people that have no clue how TERA/companies work and that they don't even play the game, instead they come back to this game and forum after months/years of inactivity and demand a classic server.

Your opinions and stupid ideas are irrelevant since you don't even play the game.

you want more or do you get the point?

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Don't you guys have a new poll to fake and send it to the developer?

True, I do not play now. Because current Tera is trash and I want classic Tera. And i was active many years before it was even released in EU because I also played on KR servers and on FGT.

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Don't you guys have a new poll to fake and send it to the developer?

Don't you try hard to ''white knighting'' a dying game?

I dont respect people that don't even play the game and are more out of touch with TERA than GF themselves.

Visiting the forum every couple of months and spamming "classic server!!!" doesn't make you looking smart.

It just shows how stupid you are.

It was explained to you guys multiple times why a classic server for TERA would not work out well and why it would not make enough profit.

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I dont respect people that don't even play the game and are more out of touch with TERA than GF themselves.

Visiting the forum every couple of months and spamming "classic server!!!" doesn't make you looking smart.

It just shows how stupid you are.

It was explained to you guys multiple times why a classic server for TERA would not work out well and why it would not make enoguh profit.

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Just looking at your comments on to this subject and to the users, you don't have respect either way. how can you tell who plays the game currently and who doesn't? get off your high horse btw, you're not above anyone in these forums just because "i've been here since the beginning".

People are allowed to open a thread with a relevant subject about the game that includes "classic server" that you hate so much.

also, whats this got to do with "doesn't make you look smart"? and nice job in insulting all those that you don't agree with. AGAIN.

Can you share a statement that was made since i can't find where this was said by any of the companies on how a classic iteration will not work aside from other users? clearly there was an official and an absolute NO on the subject.

So until then, Nah. you're not the one who gets to decide what is what, and you're not part of any of the companies managing this game, both gameforge's and bluehole's.