Tera Classic Server Poll and Discussion (Consolidated)

    Quote from distilled1

    I'm going to give you the chance to correct yourself there after you notice that I said "not the most reliable thing ever".

    Also what's up with you admiting to voting on the poll 40 times and calling me biased and implying I'm opposed to the truth.

    Also what's up with you ignoring all my other points on the matter and reverting to your own biased assumptions of what's popular, then calling me biased?

    haha. Sweet.Shiro.Neko?
    More like Evil.Scumbag.Neko. Am I right?

    Call me whatever you want you havent bring any facts in this thread at all to back up your bias towards 2012 or even 2013 patches.


    While you can check by yourself over the internet how the overall player base population continue growing after Fate of Arun patch to a point where the active player base before the Knockout patch (dec 2015) was enought to keep 7 servers (at least for NA region) with healthy activity.


    This was not something "Classic TERA 2012" did. It was the opposite TERA started with 11 (almost empty) servers back on 2012 and how many did EU ended up after first year? 2? NA had to merge servers too at that time from 11 to 3 and the only reason they didnt end up with only two at that time was because GMs werent willingly to merge Celestial Hills for the sake of "Role Play". I will remind you, it took 4 months after TERA release for these merges to happen, the very same classic game you love and have bias.


    TERA didnt get any good support from player base until Reaper patch and later with Fate of Arun and the reason why TERA started to drop in activity after that, I will repeat this to you as you are someone who are not aware about anything but only what you think is right, was because BHS removed Alliances, Crusades and other changes they keep doing to the game at that point, that was Knockout patch on Dec 2015. From that point you can see how the game started going down hill and how they instead of balancing the game and fix the issues PvP and PvE wise, they keep doing more and more broken things. Crafting was gutted, gathering was gutted, the worth of gearing alts was dimished, Island of Dawn was removed, yes, it was after Knock out patch on dec 2015 and not in the 2014-2015 as a whole. There was not a worth thing mentioning on 2012-2013 being removed that caused that big player base drop rate like what happened on dec 2015. Meaning that your idea of TERA 2012-2013 popularity is only your bias and the bias of other people that were not enought to sustain the game in those times and you think the amount of money you are worth can be good bussiness for the publisher and devs. Sorry for you you are really off of the mark, you are dreaming about something that never was and by how things were it will unlikely to be.

    I'm done with you, Not.So.Sweet.Shiro.Neko.
    You're just repeating the same things over and over like a broken record. Plus you're just plain manipulative and argue in bad faith. Admitting to manipulating poll results which by the way gives even more credence to the popularity of level 60 patches being greater than the level 65 patches.

    Also you're not even considering what I've said in my previous post with regards players remaining in Tera for years even after certain patches they hated came about, only to finally give up hope and leave.

    Instead you just keep glorifying 2014-2015 as the best time period for Tera because apparently that's when it had the most numbers, not even realizing that the numbers don't represent the player base's happiness with the content at that time.

    You have to dig deeper to learn what patches actually pleased the majority of Tera players.


    So like I said, keep lying to yourself. I don't care to hear your broken record anymore, thanks.

    And once again you cant bring facts but only leisures.


    Have a good day mr bias.

    :elin31:

    Anyway,keep insulting each other when there is only 1 compant who really needs an insult.The succesfull companies are listening their playerbase (look how wow still have thousands of people).And they decided to make classic one and it exploded because old players didnt like the latest patches.Wow did same thing like tera.Thats why.They added tons of pve stuff,quest lines etc.The old pvper people forced them to make classic.And everybody on this forum saw how succesfull it is.


    Do not compare with other games please.Some of the other mmorpg make "unchained" versions and they called it "its classic,but in reality ita diffetent copy of endless grind and p2w" thats why they lost the hype after some weeks.Playera faced another type of p2w and endless grind.


    Tera needs capable CMS for "real communication" and clever developers.Im sick of tired by both companies.

    I voted for a classic server (vm1-pre reaper vm2, everything past vm2-reaper update was garbage imo; no updates*; with just regular maintenances**) and I would instantly download it if something like this would happen.


    But I still think it would fail in the long run due to GameForge and their current blant p2w approach in retail TERA. I think that they would make the endgame unprogressable without having to spend €€€ in the shop, I won't write any examples or even slim suggestions cause I don't want to by accident help them (I would not be surprised that the current TERA Team is clueless how the game looked 7-8 years ago so they wouldn't really know how to monetize it from day0) :) And in such configuration (heavy p2w, normal gear/character progression takes months) I wouldn't bother in the long run - maybe few hours of leveling to again play how it was back then. Cause I have better things to do then playing a second unprofitable job of endless farm/grind. So yes, I have very low hopes that GF wouldn't use this opportunity to squeeze as much cash from the >classic< (if it would even be classic lol) vibe before closing it "due to lack of interest".


    Also this is another reason why GF doesn't want a classic server - because they are adamant it will fail and they would need to manage another server migration which would probably cost them additional cash and would look bad cause "again they had to close some servers due to low population" (though they could state "there is no planned migration" and I personally wouldn't mind, not that I'm eager to transfer to retail version). PR and all that (though GF has such a bad reputation I would be surprised they even care of that as long as it's not some RL scandal that can hit them lol)


    * basically the only updates that I would expect would be shop updates with all new mounts/costumes/skins plus tradeable TERA Club - as long as it's doable without much effort from BHS cause "effort = costs"

    ** Regular to just clear all cache/tmp/restart the servers/reset WB timers/reset all sorts of weird gather spots/reset rankings/etc - basically whatever is done during regular "no patch / no fix / no new content" maintenance that happens every now and then





    And as for why vm1/pre_reaper-vm2 not later crap:

    Wall of text, you have been warned

    Cheers

    Well said, sati. I love your entire post, and I agree with you 99.9% (My only disagreement is over the instant level 60 boost, but I'd still love to play what you described even with the boosts).

    Loved VM1/VM2, the lack of belts, brooches, undergarments, zyrks, etc, etc.
    Back then there wasn't an importance on item level. It was about your skill as a player, knowing how to play your class well.


    I particularly love the way you've described how much simpler (not easier, simpler) the game was without all these convoluted things that have been added over time. Things which just only cause more grinding/time-wasting and spending money to obtain instead of requiring skill in PvE or PvP to obtain.


    Back in the golden age, difficult dungeons and boss fights were required to obtain the materials you needed to progress. Not money. Not boring grinding. Yes, back then there was a chance to gain alkahest and enigmatic scrolls from the cash shop loot boxes, which I was against, but at least they were more of a bonus you got when you were purchasing cosmetic items or mounts. (Hated the RNG on loot box mounts too btw. Should just let people buy the item they want and be done with it.)

    But overall, the cash shops back then weren't even "pay to progress" much faster. Maybe SLIGHTLY faster because you could gain extra enigmatic scrolls or alkahest by chance, but that's literally all that would help you progress faster.

    Now the cash shops are not only "pay to progress" MUCH faster, they're also "pay to WIN" as the cash shops hold exclusive items you actually need to compete with others.


    The way the game is now is absolutely disgusting.
    It would be like sitting down with a group of friends to play the board game monopoly, then some of the players pay the board game owner their real money to have extra game money and own more utilities than the players who didn't pay.

    The game becomes a freaking JOKE at that point, just like Tera is now a JOKE of a game.


    Gee I wonder why Tera is dying. Because no one wants to be ripped off just to have a fun gaming experience.

    sati


    Then for the sake of a Classic server success it will need a diferent publisher willingly to monetize the game in a diferent way GameForge has been doing it since old times.


    I read all your post, wall of text included, and basically I get to understand that GameForge made this game p2w even on patches that were supposed to be more casual friendly.


    So, if there is a plan for a Classic server (regardless of patch its built) GameForge will screw players progression for the sake of "making the most money in the less time posible".


    Its a really a bad spot to be right now. Probably waiting for GameForge to close this game would be the only way to have a sucessful Classic server.


    In my case, if there is one official Classic server in the future at least I hope it gets fixed some memory leak issues it had in the past.

    :elin31:

    There will not be a classic server there yet due to the fact that just a minority of players are asking for it

    Why americans are so nice and Europeans so Rude?

    Quote from Xandra94

    There will not be a classic server there yet due to the fact that just a minority of players are asking for it

    I believe that's false. Many people have shown clear interest in a Classic Tera server.


    The real reason there won't be one is likely due to Gameforge's inability to provide us one.

    They are either too blind to see the potential popularity and success of a Classic server, or they're unable to provide us one due to legal matters or due to plain incompetency(don't know how to).


    I'd bet the most on blindness to foresee the potential popularity/success, because that's how it usually goes with big gaming companies such as Activision-Blizzard.
    Activision-Blizzard did not see the potential for years, ignoring Classic WoW interest until they finally saw the light, and provided Classic WoW.

    TERA is not WoW. And it is much much older.

    WoW has a BIG playerbase so stop comparing 2 people on a bike with 100.000 people in a foodball stadion.


    Nobody will play on the classic server after a week anymore.


    And nobody cares about you casual players that never played TERA actively, only visiting the game and forum from time to time to spam "classic server pls" and to create rigged fake polls on 3rd party sites.

    So do we need to care your opinions then ? Why are u typing if u dont care ? Even temporary had higher population than regular tera.And im talking about casuals not for me.I was playing this game around 8 hous,now i can at midnights.Currently playing fps everyday nearly 6 hours.So its more than enough.


    And both games are mmorpg,people are choosing blizzard because of their customer services and they are listening their playerbase ffs.If Tera could do same thing since 2013 i bet this game could stay at top 5.But currently in livestreams also in prime time the viewers count is "100-200" and people are doing same dungeon until they close the stream.


    Its business fail sorry.


    Also u dont need to look polls i dont care this poll.


    I care "facebook likes and comments" ehen they announced classic temporary version.


    People are not moron to create 100 facebook account to like that news.So there was no fake account and it got over than thousand likes.You can still check it.


    The older games getting deserted but wow is following "what they really need to do" mind.And listening players.Opening their ears when their players are giving advices.


    And their second fail is "battle arena".I dont know how developers are thinking that retarded moba style thing can save pvp wtf ? They invested money for it and they failed after 2-3 days.And it was p2w ahahaha.For crystals you need tikats.What a retarded mind...



    Anyway,if they decide to make classic server i can give a try until they ruin it.If they dont,i will not touch this regular tera and u guys need to find another game to play because the game will shut down because of low population and low income.

    Quote from Om3Ga

    Nobody will play on the classic server after a week anymore.


    And nobody cares about you casual players that never played TERA actively, only visiting the game and forum from time to time to spam "classic server pls" and to create rigged fake polls on 3rd party sites.

    You really need to stop speaking for everyone else. Who are these "nobody's" you're talking about?


    Who are you to assume who played Tera and who didn't? and while the poll was indeed exploitable (a lovely mention of someone openly admitting into manipulating it in this thread aswell) it was created with the purpose of "Is there an interest for a classic release". and quite clearly there is. just look at the Title of the same thread you're so butthurt about.


    Also "caSuAls cOMe hERe tO sPAm fRoM tIME TO tiME" makes me laugh. the only one spamming here is you with your constant whining about people giving out valid criticism FOR and AGAINST Classic. you are the only one here whining.


    also FYI, without casual players, MMORPG's or ANY game in the gaming industry, would have never thrived. stop being a massive elitist.

    Om3Ga's credibility has completely gone out the window as far as I'm concerned.

    He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, and is obviously either an employee of Gameforge trying his best to defend their horrible choices, or is mentally unstable with symptoms of stockholm syndrome because he's sacrificed so much of his time and money to a game that is dying.


    So butthurt and threatened by the idea of a Classic server because it might mean the death of his god-awful modern Tera. He doesn't even realize that modern Tera will fail regardless of a Classic Tera coming to light or not.
    He also doesn't even realize that a Classic Tera server wouldn't even split the players up. They're two vastly different games. So much so that no one who plays one would be interested in playing the other.


    **EDIT**:

    I'd like to add this up to date list of most played MMO's by most activity

    https://mmo-population.com/activity

    Take a look there, and you'll see WoW has 3.25M active players, followed shortly after by Oldschool Runescape with 2.00M active players, then regular Runescape with 1.22M, then shortly followed by WoW Classic with 1.16M active players.

    Why is regular WoW so high? Because of its pop-culture history, focus on good lore, and good business and game design philosophies of not becoming a pay to win game. Why is Tera so low? Because of doing the opposite, attempting put a grindy, pay to win game into the western and European market. It may have worked in Asia, but it doesn't work here.


    Why are games like Oldschool Runescape and Classic WoW so high? Because they are versions of the game that many people prefer over their newer iterations for various reasons. These are things the fans had to beg the companies for for year before the game company opened their eyes and proceeded to make millions off the success of their older game versions.


    Here is gameforge's/Krafton's chance to redeem themselves with Classic Tera for the Western and European audience. Here's their chance to make millions in the process. Are they smart enough to take it?
    I guess we'll see.

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    Is that you threaa?

    A TERA classic server (even a permanent one) could never kill the up to date servers because they get updated.


    You few people live in a fantasy world and the sooner you calm down and go back to reality the better it will be for your mental health. You are some casual noobs that don't have any knowledge about the game AND how a business overall works.


    I want them to work on a PvP fix and not to push us in the fking past where players needed to level up all classes again and farm stupid PvE like a moron all day for MWA and VM1.


    You are trying to manipulate other users on this forum so that they believe that i am scared about my progress.

    That is very stupid because i said multiple times the past year that they should close TERA in all regions.

    Also very stupid to claim that i work for GF while at the same time i am GF's worst nightmare and enemy #1 for half a decade.


    I would say "look at my past posts" but you already know that because you are professional actors and manipulators. And guess what... everybody knows that.

    where to even start with this... sigh.


    Nowhere in the op there was a mention about: getting a classic server = dead retail. where did you even get that assumption?


    "You are some casual noobs who don't have knowledge" lmfao okay kekdalf. i did not know you poses the philosopher's stone and you know all about us and our play-styles and on top of that knowing how business AND the game works. yeah whatever.

    I would like to see your Essay about how a PERFECT business looks like, and how a PERFECT game looks like, in your own thread. since you know, you clearly know how an OVERALL business works right?


    I have yet to meet someone against a PvP fix, and I personally advocate for PvP and a PvE fix (content for both parties is great don't you think?).

    The thing is, that asking for a fix for retail, has nothing to do with asking for a classic server. these are two completely different things.


    Also, if you don't want to "go to the past" and "farm like a moron", Retail will still be a thing. it won't shut down because as you said, it will always be updated. (as if retail is not a grindfest anyways, but yeah sure. only the older iteration of the game suffered from a mindless grind, it was fixed in the later versio-..... oh wait)


    From reading this thread I have only seen a Debate about "This won't work for reason x/y/z" or "This is what I want and I'm positive it will work for reason x/y/z" kind of debates.

    You're the one who reads it in some parallel forum or something cause I couldn't find anything Manipulative, aside from the Exploitable poll. which has nothing to do with the actual debates here. I only read that there's a Desire for it and reading the people who reject the Idea which is fine. it's a forum so deal with it.


    I don't need to look at completely different threads to read what kind of Attitude you have. I can just read your responses RIGHT HERE.

    time and time again you attack forum users calling out "Morons or Idiots", without adding anything to the debate other than insults. I dunno how you didn't get a warning yet for this.

    how about make you're own forum post about your ideas on what needs fixing if you know it all? why not start your own debate?


    Regardless I still vouch for a classic iteration because: Classic Getting released, doesn't mean that Retail will close.

    Om3Ga, I AGREE with you that if Gameforge releases a permanent Classic Tera server, regular Tera would survive just fine. I was implying that you probably THINK Classic will cause regular Tera to die and steal all the players away, but I'm glad you're saying you don't believe that. It seems you're smarter than I originally thought.


    BUT then it begs the question: Why are you so obviously threatened by a Classic server existing if you don't believe it will steal players from your precious regular Tera? It's obvious that you're extremely against Classic for some irrational reason.


    If you care about regular Tera surviving for a long time, you should be HOPING that Gameforge smartens up, and releases a Classic server so that they gain more players, and make lots of money to support their failing regular Tera.

    If they don't, regular Tera likely won't survive long, because Gameforge doesn't seem smart enough to successfully adapt Tera to a Western/European audience. They're failing, and continuously losing players for their Asian-like game design philosophies. Pay to win and ultra grindy, RNG bullshit doesn't interest Western/Euro audiences.

    BUT Gameforge doesn't have to think or work too hard to simply release a Classic server which will help regular Tera survive. It's a more realistic expectation than expecting Gameforge to just magically figure out how to adapt Tera better.


    Also I can't stress this enough: Classic Tera being released won't steal many players from regular Tera, so if that's really what gets your panties in a twist, just calm down.
    People who like regular Tera like it for the reasons that don't exist in Classic Tera (elitism, calling people noobs, etc, pay to win mechanics, lack of cohesive story, skipping and ignoring leveling/questing/adventuring/social interaction as much as possible, etc).

    Vice-versa, people who like CLASSIC Tera like it for reasons that don't exist in regular Tera.


    Rant about weeb culture playing a part in Tera's downfall


    Hope you've learned something.

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    Quote from ForumPvPHero

    Well seems like youre a bit outdated grandpa since Buschfunker was banned and you not.

    Bushfunker was banned because he harassed GF staff by using their specific names multiple times.

    I am doing it by calling out ALL OF Gameforge. That is a huge difference.


    distilled1 I am not threatened by a classic server (or anything else).

    I would love a permanent server, that we can just join and start PvPing in eq gear without the need to do any PvE crap. And the PvE players could enjoy their classic leveling and PvE stuff.


    But this is just fantasy.

    It simply will NOT work because of player numbers and because Korea and GF are totally out of touch with TERA.

    It doesn't matter what i like or dislike or what you wish for. We live in the fking reality.

    I am not the one that spams this forum with my wishes, because they are unrealistic. But you guys, you ARE doing it.


    Making a classic server that WOULD die shortly after takes time away. Time which they could have used to fix the game instead.

    There are logical priorities that need to be followed and the priorities are the main servers. The main servers are the money income.

    Once the main servers are fixed, i have no problems with a classic server.

    But again, for TERA a classic server will not work out.

    I honestly feel like the only people who are okay with current tera are the ones who are able to buy gear. They are not affected by anything including small range of dungeons (cuz they can do any dungeons at their ilvl), low drop rates (they don't need drops they are already maxed, so it's not affecting their progress), HM dungeons (cuz without max gear it takes time and some knowledge of the boss cuz at that point you can't face tank yet) having next to nothing as a reward for the work that has to be put in. HM not being actual HM for those who can't/don't want to learn it, but want to run it cuz that's the hard content and doing it is not for everyone.


    IMHO Tera is not for everyone. It's not a game where one can stand and do dmg/tank/heal and only dispel shields or kill adds once in a while. One has to put time, work, memory and have fast reactions to become good. There are people who don't look at the boss or messages on the screen, cuz they are still looking at keyboard. This Tera is very forgiving for simple (not an insult) people who just wanna come and participate in gameplay, cuz they like combat, graphics, races, interactions etc, cuz there is nothing more to do besides dungeons and everything outside dungeons is ruined.


    With that said, I doubt Classic server would steal players from current Tera, cuz why would players go from current tera, where they are superior to a majority of players, where everything can be accessed instantly and there is huge gap between plebs and elitists to place where you have to start from the very beginning and grind your way together with everyone else without having any advantages over other players.

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