Tera Classic Server Poll and Discussion (Consolidated)

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It's highly impractical to make a server like that, maybe a temporary one yes, a permanent one is out of the question because it won't be profitable and it also adds extra work(maintenance, upkeep, updates) and staff members.

What a silly statement, is obvious that need maintenance like a regular server, but if there is enought people who play in a classic server (like L2 classic, wow classic, etc...) then they can do it like they do with the normal one, they are the publisher and is their job to di it properly.

And no, make it temporary is beyond any sane logic, who the hell will play on a server with a wipe? We need a perma one updated on a regular basis.

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How many times do you actually want to pee against the wind until you learn that you get splashback on your panties?

It's highly impractical to make a server like that, maybe a temporary one yes, a permanent one is out of the question because it won't be profitable and it also adds extra work(maintenance, upkeep, updates) and staff members.

Not trying to be mean but, a temporary classic server is even more of waste of time and money IMHO.

why would people invest their time and money into something temporary? have we forgotten what happened last time a temp server launched? (2019 i believe)

MANY people were interested in the idea of a classic server, but when people learned that it was temporary players didn't even bother. whats the point? the time you invested in it meant nothing. the money you invested in it for THAT SPECIFIC CONTENT meant nothing in the end.

So, i don't see how on earth a temporary one would be remotely profitable on both fronts: Profit for the company, and time investment for the Players. doesn't make sense at all.

Permanent one gives you a choice when you want to play it and switch between retail version and the classic one (whichever interests you more).

a Temporary one doesn't. Period. in one moment you can play the content you want and then *POOF*. Gone.

Hold your panties for a moment, you both seem to understand very clearly what I said but you won't accept it under any circumstance and try to slither your way around it.

I said 'maybe a temporary server' with the intent of just pleasing the crowd with the GameForge mindset of what they might do if a lot of people actually voted on that poll and decide to take action. I know it's dumb but keep in mind I said that for a very clear reason not based on my personal opinion but seeing how the publisher solves problems interacts with the playerbase, also decision making.

A permanent server is an absolute chore, especially a vanilla one and here's why:

-it will have no updates regarding content or class balancing, bugfixes, because that would cut from the progression of the normal servers (devs working to fix a game version from 8 years ago), does Krafton/Bluehole or whoever codes the patches have the manpower or will to do this, the server will need a separate dedicated team for maintenance/support/updates;

-if you want it vanilla it must be set at a certain point in time and play a patch forever (this adds further to the above), because updating the game means slowly but steadily moving it into the present patch;

-the huge difference in the item shop/merchandising, this was done year by year and improved (on the company level this does not concern the players) to the point where it is today, monetary yields for the classic server will vary drastically;

-splitting the already dwindling player base(this was said before), it's a hard thing to accept but people will hop on the server that will be the most convenient to play leaving the other servers in ghost town like era; See the decline of PvP servers and merges, the 180 turn to full p2w present game, if you are retired keep in mind that nowadays all the gear comes in a p2w box, all of it, dungeons are a waste of time and a menial activity. How many players do you think will opt to skip the grind, the no content game, to play on a fun server?

-really bad communication between GF and the playerbase;

-take a closer look at the current state of the game, a classic server won't bring your long lost glory;

-other problems;

Consider a lot of things before you answer on this both present and past actions and decisions of the publisher.

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Who's trying to slither what? I clearly meant what i said. you said a permanent one is impossible so I gave my reasons why a temp one would be even more of a waste, and you're saying that I'm "slithering" your point?

-no updates on content? class balancing? bugfixes? you're saying that as if retail is in such a great shape now compared to older patches. it is LITTERED with bugs and exploits every other patch, Class balance is a mess now more than ever thanks to the myriad number of classes and on top of that apex/awakening. and if you call recycled dungeons "content" pfft. go off. PvP is trash rn aswell.

the whole point of a classic server is to go to a certain patch that was considered "Golden" for me and many others. if the company wants to add more content or if they even want to, they can go the runescape route: a Public Poll. if it worked for them, it might be something worth considering.

-why would the classic server needs to be updated "slowly" to the PRESENT patch? that defeats the point of a classic server. the temporary classic one did just that. from a older patch to present patch. oh that worked so well right? if people knew once again that their classic server would get converted to the present patch, they would either:

A) play until a certain point where the game becomes not fun and stop playing.

B) won't be bothered to play Tera at all. which brings us the next point ↓

-again with the splitting the community argument. i'm not playing the game AT ALL for a long time now, does that counts as a split?

I don't want to play retail server, and just because theres only one option doesn't mean that i'll log in at all. if i had two options (Retail or Classic) i would obviously be playing classic, and if you close classic, i quit. how does the split even relevant because I won't play retail regardless if there was a classic or not.

*also you're pay2win argument... the game is already p2w, I've been there when gameforge decided to remove the only spot f2p could reliably get masterwork alkahest and exclusively sold it in a loot box, how is it different now and how is that even an argument against a classic server idk.

-bad communication. ok? theres like 0 GMs in-game right now, what difference does it make? tickets take forever to be processed. updates to current Tera are already taking a dumb direction.

-take a closer look at your current Tera, it is an absolute CHORE to play. you have to no life it to get anywhere or just slide that credit card. yay. so glorious, fun and accomplishing.

You and a couple of other people are trying SO HARD to deny other people something to enjoy. if i didn't care about Tera i wouldn't be here. i just want to enjoy this game again, but the current iteration of it doesn't allow it.

Levelling SUCKS, Gearing SUCKS, PvP SUCKS, PvE is a boring MESS, Classes are not fun for me ever since the "awakening" patches. give me back the version that actually had substance to it. actually worry a bit about mana management, stamina management (yes i know many of you don't like the stamina but i actually thought it had a place), Crafting (current iteration of crafting SUCKS ALOT), Proper separation in gearing PvE and PvP (disclaimer i'm not much of pvp player anyways but i do play pvp sometimes for fun, it is a complete turn off for me on retail).

tl;dr give me classic Tera. vm1 or vm2. either one of those works.

"Whoever forgets his history is condemned to repeat it"

Anyone thinking a 2012 permanent classic server will be a big success are forgetting about 2 big factors:

1. The publisher GameForge and pc dev team from BlueHole Studios.

2. TERA back in 2012 was "so great, so popular" that it needed to change from pay to play model to a free to play model. Why? Because it was a massive failure world wide. Players leaving the game in the first 3 months left and right. Korean servers needed to make this transition before the first year, EU and NA was even worse, they need to make this transition after 4 months.

These are not the only reason why the game was a big failure, they only accelerated the process and hey, they are still here doing the same with current TERA.

Another thing to think about is, other games with Classic server works for these reasons:

1. They have a big player base, dozens or hundreds of times bigger than TERA even before they opened their classic servers.

2. Their popularity around the patches they made the classic servers were good if not great. This allowed to bring enought people to sustain their classic servers.

What era on TERA could be considered the best patch to make this "classic server" a better choice and probably a better bussiness than the big failure that was TERA back on 2012? Obviously TERA from 2015. Tadeshi's idea of a classic server for TERA.

All people claiming a TERA Classic server based on 2012 patches will be an huge success, you have no proof, you have no facts, and history taught us well. If back on those days people were unwillingly to support the game enought to be a bussiness in that p2p model, What makes you think people will do it now when they didnt do it in the past?

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2 TERA back in 2012 was "so great, so popular" that it needed to change from pay to play model to a free to play model. Why? Because it was an massive failure world wide. Players leaving the game in the first 3 months left and right. Korean servers needed to make this transition before the first year, EU and NA was even worse, they need to make this transition after 4 months.

Yeah and back in 1928 ppl didnt even played Tera. Nice logic bro.

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i'm not playing the game AT ALL for a long time now, does that counts as a split?

No, but it does explain a lot Zero, you've been away for so long you might have a distorted view on the reality (that this game has) and what the leadership behind it actually is like.

Also to my fav president George W. Buschfunker back in 69 Elins were born too, the real 69 not 1969, also big fan of yours!

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No, but it does explain a lot Zero, you've been away for so long you might have a distorted view on the reality (that this game has) and what the leadership behind it actually is like.

So, all that I said on why current Tera doesn't appeal to me all the while vouching for a older iterations of the game doesn't qualify because my view is "Distorted"? who do you think you are to assume what I am currently?

Current Tera doesn't appeal to me because, guess what? it doesn't appeal to me. that's it. I don't know HOW you even reached to that conclusion. "it does explain a lot", "viEW oN rEAliTY", i'm not your patient.

You're trying to find every excuse there is all the way to a psychological level (I.E assuming my nature), and not giving any alternatives to the subject. you just shoot down anything that's being brought up.

I am given nothing. current iteration brings me nothing enjoyable, and there is no way to just "turn my brain off" and just play the game and automatically enjoy it. I can't do that.

all I'm asking is an Option to enjoy something that I used to know.

In conclusion, the only thing i'm reading about the ones who say "Classic won't work" and at the same time saying "you have no proof that it would work", all I'll say is that "you don't have proof that it won't work" back at you.

The only thing I'm getting is "Suck it up, No Classic, or just GTFO".

TruthSedge you're not making any damn sense.
You think anyone would have been remotely interested in a TEMPORARY WoW Classic server?
Hell no, so why would classic Tera fans be interested in a temporary version?

One of the main things people look for in a private server too is longevity. Whether it be WoW private servers, Ragnarok online private servers, or whatever else, they want to know that their time and effort into the game will remain for a long time.
If they know it won't, they aren't going to bother starting. It's common sense, fool.

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I said 'maybe a temporary server' with the intent of just pleasing the crowd with the GameForge mindset of what they might do if a lot of people actually voted on that poll and decide to take action

Dude ffs, I really hate being rude, did you not read anything at all distilled?

Zero what did you write there man? You are so hellbent on getting this server and I hope you do, along with all the other people who voted, you don't have to lash out at me I just pointed out that I would not hold my breath until that happens.

If I remember correctly something like this with the Vanilla Tera server has already been tried during the stormcry gear patch, ask somebody that remembers better than I do and that was a temporary server for a reason.

I'm just telling from past experiences what you should expect compared to what you actually want to get friend.

Also I'm not assuming anything about you, don't be the usual butthurt individual, i'm not twisting your words or anything.

Time and time again, not my personal view on things, I wholeheartedly agree with you and a classic server would be really nice. It'swhat Gameforge will most likely do and what you should expect to happen.

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If I remember correctly something like this with the Vanilla Tera server has already been tried during the stormcry gear patch, ask somebody that remembers better than I do and that was a temporary server for a reason.

I'm just telling from past experiences what you should expect compared to what you actually want to get friend.

Time and time again, not my personal view on things, I wholeheartedly agree with you and a classic server would be really nice. It's what Gameforge will most likely do and what you should expect to happen.

I've been there in the "vanilla server" that got released back in 2019 for a couple of weeks (I didn't join it FYI). it garnered interest at first, but failed in reception.

when I heard about it at first I didn't know, so I mentioned it to some acquaintances about it but then we all noticed that it was Temporary. (it was also not very vanilla considering it was the Reaper patch)

so in the end me and my acquaintances just gave up, either the version that was released or the time period that it would last, it wasn't worth it.

This is exactly what I meant when I said about your "maybe a temporary" would not work. because it would be a waste of time.

What I want is, an overall complete experience and not fragments of content. just the same recycled dungeons and mundane Dailies that exist right now won't cut it.

Fair enough you won't hold your breath for a Release/Success for a classic version, I brought up points on why I desire it. and I'm sure some of my desires are reflected to others.

As for me lashing out, I apologise if it came out that way, I guess the events that happening right now are affecting me.

Yeah I can't imagine ANYONE here hoping for a Classic Tera server is holding their breath.
Even the ones who voted. None of us are holding our breath, but we're going to at least voice our opinions of what we want, because at least that has a chance of being heard.
More of a chance than not saying anything at all.

No one realistically thinks that these companies, who have been driving Tera into the ground for the past 9 years or so, have the sense to do something right with regards to Tera's future including but not limited to making a Classic server.
That's why we have to yell from the roof tops as loud as we can for the SMALL CHANCE that they'll listen and actually do it.

Krafton can also let another company to handle a classic server if GF do not like the idea or they do not have the resources to do it. After all vanilla Tera was a completely different game compared to the actual Tera.

On the other hand, Lineage 2 classic, WoW classic and Runescape classic were made in the end, because the old experience is something that a lot of players prefer over new concept of modern mmorpg where everything is easy and everyone is the solo hero.

Keep this thread alive for any update on the matter. Thanks.

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Krafton can also let another company to handle a classic server if GF do not like the idea or they do not have the resources to do it. After all vanilla Tera was a completely different game compared to the actual Tera.

On the other hand, Lineage 2 classic, WoW classic and Runescape classic were made in the end, because the old experience is something that a lot of players prefer over new concept of modern mmorpg where everything is easy and everyone is the solo hero.

Keep this thread alive for any update on the matter. Thanks.

Gonna be honest, I don't really mind the option of Solo content aspect in an MMORPG (if done right) BUT, I do agree that there should be a a boundary on what can be solo'd.

Questing normal mobs and gathering is fair game, especially where mobs are actually a threat and being discouraged from pulling the whole zone.

Story instances should not include a solo dungeon clear and instead, actually introduce to instance matching for the partying aspect of dungeoning. it's an mmo ffs. (this is coming from a loner player pov btw)

And when it came to BAM's, I actually liked the idea that you could choose to solo them if you had the skill and patience while having the option to entice the players to party up with others, which I did a lot back then.

However now, ever since the introduction of Avatar weapons (I know they have been replaced but there are still broken weapons being given to levellers cause: "lmfao wut iz rpg?" - Current Dev team of tera) , made the entire Levelling and Learning process of the game completely broken. new players learn nothing, they get bored quickly (I know I did), and either quit early, or grit their teeth until "endgame" where they hit multiple walls where they actually break their teeth (senseless grinding, and heavy p2w aspect + broken features).

A massive shame. I want to experience the old ways again.

(sorry for wall of text btw)

Much ado about nothing.

IMHO, those who stayed and "suffered" along with Tera's state of game degradation and adapted to changes (be those changes wanted or forced) will either keep playing the game as it is or will quit for good . I really dont see them starting anew on classic server.

On the other side, all those craving for classic server ..you think you have enough numbers and you will have the money power to make that server stay alive and also making it worthy for Gameforge ? And by money I mean cash shop items.

Dont get this wrong, i would be glad to experience old Tera , with nexus lag, alliance feast and rage and many more but, my desire, or yours , or your ...or YOURS .. as long as is not translated into revenue, little will matter for GF.

"It's simple. We uh kill... the game forge."

-Le Jokester (2008)

For real though, it's simple. Gameforge can just make Classic Tera a pay-to-play game. Good old subscription-based.

If the players they have right now spend money in a pay-to-win cash shop game, surely Classic players can spend a bit of money per month to play a non-pay-to-win game without cash shop items.

If they're afraid no one would pay to subscribe to Classic Tera, they can make it free to play with fashion/cosmetic items in the cash shop, but they'd better be smart enough to leave out all the pay-to-win crap, unless they want another dead game like current Tera. haha

Maybe GF should really make a classic server. So these 3 people dont spam the forum anymore. They can live on a 3 man classic server happy for 2 weeks when GF closes the server because nobody plays on it

I believe that with this publisher its not possible to make "good classic comeback" its been proven thru years with Aion/TERA that they dont want to communicate and simple dont care they dont even goin to publish next incoming MMORPG from TERA creators which is ELYON and they have same mmorpgs for years without new projects and soulworkers closed/aion broken/metin2 problems with bans its possible that in next 5 years or even faster they just gonna close like enmasse did.

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What era on TERA could be considered the best patch to make this "classic server" a better choice and probably a better bussiness than the big failure that was TERA back on 2012? Obviously TERA from 2015. Tadeshi's idea of a classic server for TERA.

All people claiming a TERA Classic server based on 2012 patches will be an huge success, you have no proof, you have no facts, and history taught us well. If back on those days people were unwillingly to support the game enought to be a bussiness in that p2p model, What makes you think people will do it now when they didnt do it in the past?

The game arise in subs when passed from p2p to b2p, indeed the p2p model was excessive back then for a game just released and with some issues. But just after the b2p new business model and new patches the game reach the "golden age".

I'm also fine with Tadeshi pov, as long as there are difficult bams and party content, open world guild wars, nexus and blast from the past sidekick dungeon feature, i think is the correct base concept to start the "classic" Tera. The game decline was when they arise the cap to 65 along all the crappy patches that destroy the open world content fun and party related features, imo.

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I believe that with this publisher its not possible to make "good classic comeback" its been proven thru years with Aion/TERA that they dont want to communicate and simple dont care they dont even goin to publish next incoming MMORPG from TERA creators which is ELYON and they have same mmorpgs for years without new projects and soulworkers closed/aion broken/metin2 problems with bans its possible that in next 5 years or even faster they just gonna close like enmasse did.

I know right? But we at least give our feedback and opinions, if they do not want listen is their right but also their last chance, i'm just waiting the game collapse and close and hopefully another publisher better suited to handle the game and listen to the players takeover everything.