did you tho?
the majority of the damage was already done long before this last one, gold is effectively worthless already.
considering current events
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i understand its an ongoing battle and we as players might not realize the numerous problems you encounter in your position as game managers.
let me say upfront its nothing personal
i think we as players are just frustrated with many changes, especially if you are an 8 year veteran.
and since we cannot vent our issues to the people that are really responsible for what we perceive as bad changes, well... you are the go-between and alas have to take all the crap that should really be directed to the aforementioned people. the downside of your job i guess...
let me give you an example of one of my frustrations, and try to see it from our point of view.
i'm a pleb player with mediocre gear and as one of the few i avoid dungeons for numerous reasons. but... in 8 years i got by quite well by doing things that got me enough materials or gold outside dungeons and shop.
so i was glad to be able to get some annihilation gear and did my best to make it better.
i gathered, which could be very profitable, i crafted, same profit, i farmed where and what i could from killing open world mobs.
i got my gear to +11 -ish, i was proud and happy despite all elitist comments.
then one day, after finally getting enough materials to have another try, oooh thats a shame! i failed AND DOWNGRADED. NOT a nice suprise, never announced ( i checked all patch notes) and unless i was lucky many times before in enchanting ( very unlikely, you know the stats) this didnt apply to annihilation, just kaia and pvp gear, but BOOM haha your gear can downgrade now.
yay.
from my (player) point of view , outside the given example, in the last few months more and more and more possibilties to get gold and ( usable) loot were skillfully eliminated one by one, untill none were left but dungeon 24/7 on all of your 12 alts or visit the rng shop. EDIT: 24/7 dungeons AND visit the shop ( rarely get what you need from dungeon alone, have to go broker orshop to fill the gaps)
with pet adventure ( also a surprise) the price of gathered materials dropped from avg 20 gold to ONE.
crafting is worth-ish to do but mainly to avoid having to buy stuff that you can make. save for a few things its not worth trading.
guardian reduced to one per account... dont bother anymore. if i do im done within 15 minutes.
killing mobs in the open world has a 0.00001 % of getting som,ething worthwile ( forget skill xp im maxed and can max all my chars with the tomes i have in bank ( 1200 tier2 currently) so ... yeh well why would i do that?
fishing ... well apparently the only solution to botting was to eliminate fishing alltogether. im sorry but just for the tokens and what you can get from that i feel that is also not worth it.
even if i enjoy gathering, crafting and all mentioned above, in the end it leaves me with an empty feeling cos what did i gain from spending hours doing that? nothing.
it feels to me you ( or krafton, idk who is responsible) are going for pay cash or dont get anything.
thats fine and all, you/they are a business and running tera is not free. you dont work for free and neither do i, nor any player nagging about p2w.
in the past i was happy to "invest" in the game, just because i enjoyed it and like i said, nothing is free and i dont mind paying for something i enjoy. yes , even in the internet-age where people think everything is free and then have the right to complain about essentialy a gift horse.
but since there is not much or anything usefull i can do in the game i spend less and less time and consider spending my money just a waste.
i have invested a fair amount ( im a poor boy) in the past and never regretted doing so.
but with all the mentioned restrictions, i see no point.
if you chase away free players, imo you also lower the playerbase's numbers AND with that people that consider spending money here.
well, i guess i cant tell whats going on on the other ( your/krafton's end) and who knows maybe its the right decision for you . idk.
but imo you are underestimating the power of loyalty of players and honesty in playing.
like i said, idk, maybe on your end all is going well, you know ( and cant tell all) what is happening over there with you and yours.
if nothing else, and however this ends, i would like to thank you for making me able to play your game and i have enjoyed it very much over the last 8 years.
hope to see you again for the next 8 years, but ... well lets just see how this will develop.
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Best solution would be to roll back to Heroic Oath gear.
- No RNG rolls
- No damaged gear
- No downgrades- No tradeable gear which destroys market
Its actually sad how this game has developed in the last year.
With every patch the player base got more and more frustrated. Many left the game, others just abuse exploits because they dont actually care if they are getting banned or not since the game is already dead to them.Well yea
- Server rollback wont be possible due to reasons Assa already stated
- Banning people who exploited (duped) items is ofc necessary and afaik has already been done
BUT banning people who bought exploited gear is hard to do in my opinion. There isnt really a way to detect if an item is legit or not. Of course there are certain indicators like open liberations but it is still not a 100% proof and people might have spent a lot of gold for those items without even knowing that those are exploited. And then "punishing" them with a temp. ban for spending gold?
Best way is to release an event which allows people to get BiS rolls on gear.
I dont think there is a good way to track the exploited gold since most of that gold has been probably already spent in broker or by buying TT from sellers...
I hope they learned from all the mistakes they made while introducing this gear and wont do that in the future anymore. But first we have to deal with temporary etchings and guess what: NEW RNG infusions....This game is going down....
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i do hope its not going down.
we as players/users dont, wont or cant always know what problems solutions might give. (is that irony?) and many just speak from their own viewpoint and nothing else.
i have worked in a shop long enough to know customers dont, wont or cant always see what problem the 'other side' might encounter.
i tried to consider this in my post as well as i could.
nevertheless, my view on the direction it has (and will?) hasnt changed yet.
like you said: temp etchings, even more rng in the rng, add items to make it permanent ( if that will be possible... it might be temporary permanently LOL) add more rng-combating items... etc.
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Imagine TERA without exploits
ded game confirmed
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ded game confirmed
If this is the case after a banwave, it was worth, cause it showed how sick this game is or was.
I prefer dont play a dead game, then play with cheaters. Thats the reason for example i will never join any of the big guilds at mystel. They all just recruite for mass to win CU. They dont care what kind of ppl they protect.
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I'm not saying you're wrong at all, I don't even play anymore regularily (because of that and a bunch of other reasons).
From a money-making perspective I think it's probably still better to keep it around because of addicts and costume lovers which never learn at all, spending money for a game beyond saving. This is what we, as a community, got after all through our behavior, and we heavily deserve this outcome.
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"where there's two fighting, two are to blame"
you are also right.
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Hello everyone, I would like to add a small note related to your discussion.
Please be aware that we have already taken actions against numerous accounts that were a part of the recent exploit in all servers. However, this is an ongoing battle that did not end yet, as we will keep investigating the situation and banning more accounts that were a part of it.
I am sorry to say threea but i see all the big "fishes" online with their mains and their items on.
If a simple server transfer away and back to mystel is enough to loose trace of those ppl what can i say.
What did Gameforge banned? Old fish accounts that should be banned long time ago and now their were used to dupe items?
Tell us one known person who lost his char and items.
Personally i wanted to send a ticket to support to report all the known ppl and ways they exploited but i find it pointless.
You will not do ANYTHING.
Double drop for afew days and 2 reset scrolls?
After all this mess i dont think even double drop for ever is enough.
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Display MoreI am sorry to say threea but i see all the big "fishes" online with their mains and their items on.
If a simple server transfer away and back to mystel is enough to loose trace of those ppl what can i say.
What did Gameforge banned? Old fish accounts that should be banned long time ago and now their were used to dupe items?
Tell us one known person who lost his char and items.
Personally i wanted to send a ticket to support to report all the known ppl and ways they exploited but i find it pointless.
You will not do ANYTHING.
Double drop for afew days and 2 reset scrolls?
After all this mess i dont think even double drop for ever is enough.
A shit ton of players abusing gear exploit have been banned. I am not sure if you have even seen the huge ban wave on Shakan, but even a lot of "big fishes" have already been banned on Mystel and Yurian. (Don't really wanna share any names since it would not be fair to expose anyone but if you spent some time in tera europe discord you should have noticed)
All of the people who still have their gear on are simply people who got the gear without even exploiting(by trades for example). Gameforge has started this week to ban people who had connections with exploiters and benefited because of that.
I am not sure how strict they are concerning bans and backreroll items but if it ends like enmasse handled it...
This will be the end for sure. Cause not only casuals who didn't have anything to do with the exploit will get mad and the exploiters (or people who bought items from exploiters) are gone/banned.
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So, any news about this ONGOING BATTLE?
Exploited items are still there.
I guess buying tons of TTs will make you immune to ANY action. Like Penguwu from Mystel...
And to reference, this is how KTERA handled a similar situation.
http://tera.nexon.com/news/not…pageno=2&n4articlesn=1352
Options on exploited items were reset, on top of a ban.
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Display MoreSo, any news about this ONGOING BATTLE?
Exploited items are still there.
I guess buying tons of TTs will make you immune to ANY action. Like Penguwu from Mystel...
And to reference, this is how KTERA handled a similar situation.
http://tera.nexon.com/news/not…pageno=2&n4articlesn=1352
Options on exploited items were reset, on top of a ban.
Well Penguwu is the posterboy of this dupe exploit as well some of de*d guild members
Bought them or not those items should be reset and if all those people are innocent then gameforge should compensate them.
We are talking about dupe exploit. There is literally nothing worst than that.
............. except maybe that we have to dismantle 100 circlets ( how insane this really is
) to lock 2 stats and search something good in ( 390 - 2 ) possible rolls but this is another story .The cost is so dramatic that its too much even if you could choose the roll you want !!!
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Well Penguwu is the posterboy of this dupe exploit as well some of de*d guild members
Bought them or not those items should be reset and if all those people are innocent then gameforge should compensate them.
We are talking about dupe exploit. There is literally nothing worst than that.
............. except maybe that we have to dismantle 100 circlets ( how insane this really is
) to lock 2 stats and search something good in ( 390 - 2 ) possible rolls but this is another story .The cost is so dramatic that its too much even if you could choose the roll you want !!!
You have to dismantle? For what reason? To clear the dungeon 20s faster? For what reason? To be a baggart like most pve dps nerds are? People who play pve for fun dont even give a shit on max dps.
The only ppl who have real reasons to wear perfect gear are pvp people. But how many are that? Some doozen? How many pve baggart exploited to feel having a big penis once in a life?
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Is this game really to terrible? When did conversion happened (time when NG left game to GameForge?). Sounds like problems started that time if im correct? Sadly before i joined few days ago this game i was looking at YT known streamer who said that since Tera is owned now by GameForge (and he said gameforge is known to ruin games and not care much about community?).
Just asking cause if there are exploits like you are saying than the game isn't for me since i play by the rules and it's not fair to new players who would come and join and play. Reading this got me stop playing.
About stream i mentioned its TheLazyPeon on YouTube with 500k followers (so new players like me im sure they check videos like that and decide join or not)
"search youtube Tera 2020 first impressions is it worth playing?"
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Sorry i have to add this. Its a video of EU server in may this year. Now i understand what you guys are talking about :O
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Calling out players won't solve anything especially if you associate them directly or indirectly with current or past exploits, if you were in a position to profit from this endeavor, I'd bet anything on it that you would do the same thing.
The blame lies entirely with Gameforge/Bluehole/Krafton, whoever manages, patches, develops and implements changes and fixes to the game, as a player you make do with what you are given and as a player you have no control over patch notes or possible exploits.
If things were rushed from the start and left unchecked, the company is completely responsabile.
That was a legit event Dianathegoddes Tera's 8th anniversary!
What is not ok in that video is the Tera Toolbox 3party addon and Shinra DPS Meter
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Let me share some insight on the very interesting discussions ongoing about the current events,
Hello everyone, I would like to add a small note related to your discussion.
Please be aware that we have already taken actions against numerous accounts that were a part of the recent exploit in all servers. However, this is an ongoing battle that did not end yet, as we will keep investigating the situation and banning more accounts that were a part of it.
As harsh as this may come across, if you didn't mention it, these actions may have been seen as insufficient or practically nonexistant by the community.
The fact you mention "recent", even if it's just for relevancy, makes me question what happened to the non recent ones, but I'd like to believe those are being tackled as well.As compared to the previously posted announcement on the korean community all we have is your word for it, with no way to quantify the dimension of that ban whatsoever, with numerous being a RNG between 2 and the total playerbase.
However, I do believe taking actions is a step on the right direction and I will keep up with any battlefield report updates provided which are MUCH welcome.
i understand its an ongoing battle and we as players might not realize the numerous problems you encounter in your position as game managers.
I'm also experienced in the customer service area and players want real solutions to the trouble they are experiencing, as fast as possible, being there as many solutions as there are players.
It's not an easy job, so it's good that the playerbase can be reasonable about the associated limitations to some extent, yet I don't think anyone is being forced to do it and as with any other job I hope it has its perks to compensate for it.
Best solution would be to roll back to Heroic Oath gear.
- No RNG rolls
- No damaged gear
- No downgrades- No tradeable gear which destroys market
I fully agree with the 4 lines above. As for me the best solution would be going back to "Nightforge VM2 like gearing system" which I relate to gating BiS gear behind a difficult to clear HM dungeon, where every player has to perform or the dungeon isn't cleared.
Optionally a training or normal mode dungeon for it could be added. Or even an extreme one with mounts or Highwatch statues to show off.This system is however not perfect at all. Let me mention some possible downsides to it and see if you find any way to address them:
-This system still doesn't prevent exploiters from cheating the dungeon
-BiS content becomes more difficult, if not impossible and unaccessible to obtain for the major part of the playerbase, creating elitism-In the case someone either belongs to that elite or is a cheater they could make runs to gear p2w players, which may or may not be an intended gear progression for the patch
Even with that I believe BiS gear should be provided as part of an endgame min maxing experience for hardcore parties looking for a challenge. While having a medium gear set at the same time, letting people enjoy and clear the dungeons with their friends in a more casual environment and still allowing them to make some gold to spend on costumes as an example or having the requirements to clear the HM one and step up to the top.
As for now the difficulty of BiS comes from an inflated market and the mother of all RNGs which I think deducts from what could have been an otherwise adequate game progression and motivation for people to play, improve and enjoy the game.
When even grinding like a zombie fails, proving you're either good at cashing in, casino or brokering being the main mechanic of a MMORPG doesn't seem fully related to the concept of action combat.
I prefer dont play a dead game, then play with cheaters. Thats the reason for example i will never join any of the big guilds at mystel. They all just recruite for mass to win CU. They dont care what kind of ppl they protect.
I have to say I find it really noble that you choose your actions to try to abide by your moral standards as much as possible and I respect you for this.
However, please consider where are you drawing the line and if the solutions you provide are useful and realistic.
As a player of a small guild in Mystel you do play Civil Unrest allying sometimes with bigger guilds, so you kind of participate on this broken system and in the end also end up playing alongside cheaters.
You did not uninstall the game so despite your preferences as of now you're literally playing with cheaters too, which doesn't necessarily mean that you support them at all, just you can't do otherwise if you want to play the game even if you do it in a 100% fair manner yourself. And it's not fair you're not allowed to play a game just because some people cheat in it.
Sadly deep down you know you are not given much of a choice to begin with.
As long as you're playing pvp in this game besides dueling, deathmatch and other user organized events, the number of cheaters is so high that you're most likely to play with them or to not play pvp at all.
Just because of numbers of people cheating in the game, if any of the big guilds in Mystel kick cheaters as you suggest (with important note: cheaters here referring to anyone not playing the vanilla version of the game) then there would be no big guilds whatsoever.
You can't make a big guild without including "cheaters" because simply as of now there is not a big enough playerbase interested in, or I'd say more ABLE to play pvp clean in this game any longer, with reasons already discussed in countless posts often leading to bans in the forums.
Let's assume by some set of events, people still decide that what you said is the right way to proceed about it and kick cheaters. The immediate consequences to expect are all zerg guild as of the ones currently playing in Mystel destroyed, no exception.
Many people becoming unable to play Civil Unrest at all, risking the possible death of it plus the cheaters still free around to cheat entering either on their own or through any other guild as they are also free to make their own.
Dealing the final blow to the game to kill the problem is as easy a way out as cheating is.
Tell us one known person who lost his char and items.
Personally i wanted to send a ticket to support to report all the known ppl and ways they exploited but i find it pointless.
You will not do ANYTHING.
First of all I'd have concerns about privacy and stigma regarding bans, which may lead to trouble in case any ban happens to be unfair, which is unfortunately not an impossible happening.
On the other hand, I fully agree with you on this as I do not perceive how implementing a working solution to the current level of cheating is possible at all any longer. I'd appreciate if someone could enlighten me as in how to do it.
I'd also like to contribute to change this situation and if I knew I could report someone for cheating and their account would get banned within a couple of working days, then I'd have a reason to report. Because even if they can make a new one, then cheaters would perceive the community doesn't welcome those actions.
But why should I report anyone cheating if I perceive the actions on it are not going to be enough at all? The system is not effective and delivers no message.
I'd spend more time reporting than playing the game for solutions not to be implemented and make a clown out of myself so I agree on it being pointless. Working for nothing even if a noble goal, doesn't seem to be the right thing either.
The only ppl who have real reasons to wear perfect gear are pvp people.
As a pvp player, I have to disagree with this.
That a pve/pvx or any other player wants to max out their gear possibilities, doesn't mean they have to be mean to the rest of the community, quite the opposite.
It could be a motivation to keep playing the game to state just one of the other multiple valid reasons to play. Challenging yourself, being able to effectively help other players, clearing content faster and easier to access better earnings to gift to friends or get costumes, alts or any other desired progression are also examples.
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You have to dismantle? For what reason? To clear the dungeon 20s faster? For what reason? To be a baggart like most pve dps nerds are? People who play pve for fun dont even give a shit on max dps.
The only ppl who have real reasons to wear perfect gear are pvp people. But how many are that? Some doozen? How many pve baggart exploited to feel having a big penis once in a life?
First of all i 99.9999999999999999% that you dont do fahm ( espesially with your friends and not carried by others ) but this is small compare to the next .........
Its not about doing alittle more damage , its about the totally absence of balance in gear and economy.
Say whatever you want but dismantling 100 items to reroll one time with 388 possible rolls is a SCAM .
The OPTIONS that the game give you for gear progression must make SENSE .
I like pve hard modes espesially with my friends and i like progression in both personal skills and damage.
If you dont care about it good for you.
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Hello everyone, I would like to add a small note related to your discussion.
Please be aware that we have already taken actions against numerous accounts that were a part of the recent exploit in all servers. However, this is an ongoing battle that did not end yet, as we will keep investigating the situation and banning more accounts that were a part of it.
Broker situation in mystel almost a week after.
So if you cant "Detect" a guy who is stupid enough to
A ) have the worst name possible to sell duped scrolls
B ) sell them ridiculously low
C) in massive amounts
You want me to believe that you did something for people who tried to hide alittle?
Situation is completely depressing . Economy is destroyed . Our farm loot worth nothing unless we hit a jackpot and we only get political words.
We dont need Gameforge to try to be political these days
We need to see names and stats orrrrrrrr we will only be thinking about the worst case scenario and conspiracy theories.
