Disable fishing completly

feeluck the way to reopen fishing ot players would be a rework of how the fishing minigame works so that it cannot be automated(ie: forcing the minigame ot be played server side so an attept to automate it triggers a warning flag).

what they did at the moment is about the best choice they had given the available tools, yes it sucks a bit for the legit fishers no longer having an exit point(which could be fixed if they made food crafting worth it again) but the upside they got was more critical, since inflation was effectively running away from them.

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THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO CHEAT WITH THEIR SOFTWARE.

What they want to do is keep peddling their own paid scripts, so they keep throwing word ethical around like its supposed to mean something when all of it is cheating.

It is however necessary cheating, since developer refuses to make their own improvement for high ping players or even add option to disable character models which drastically improves fps and many games straight up ship with it.

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A ban of all proxy users? Ofc i want to repeat this. Proxy is nothing different then cheating. I rather dont play a dead game, then a game with cheaters.

instead of blindly attacking the proxy users, attack the reason why so much of the community considers it essential.

what ppl often btch bout is SP, which was only ever a thing because BHS never bothered to implement any form of ping compensation in their game(and since the system by which SP works is not perfect it leads to inconsistencies at times)

if you implement a proper means of controlling framerate + a semidecent ping compesation system i cna confidently say, most of the current users would not bother anmyore and you would be left with the actual ppl that use to get an edge. if you were ot do this it would also become hilariously obvious who is using those stupid scripts or not.

This benefit greatly for me who is actually playing this game, spamming 16-32x csnm everyday so I can fund my lancer to +15 because prices go down finally. I don't wanna resort to P2W selling TT because nerds are inflating the economy with gold and my effort farming will be worthless. So if this doesn't benefit you? Wat the fack, do you even play the game?

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16-32x csnm everyday

Holy moly

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Holy moly

What am I supposed to do then to get gold and progress in this game? CSNM gives really good gold for only 8-12mins a run. I wanna gear up so i can play end game with my friends. but ofc you gonna derail the topic with your useless comment nothing related to this topic.

♦ why people still complaining about fishing ?
- do people gear up vm days with fishing when you need to farm ur ass for MWA ?
do people killed Manaya or WHH with fishrods ? like why still complaining why ?
- tera exist for a solid 8 years and fishing is barely in eu 2 years ago (unnecessary since the game is not event in unreal 4) and now you trying to say that fishing was the reasons that making you enjoying the game or farming gold ? by Pressing F all day to get a single fish ? is fun yay ...
- hearing these complainings make's me assume 2 things
you complaining because you lost your fishbots .
you dont play the game at all to judge that fishing is everything.

Actually never used a fishbot, fishing is not everything but it was a nice alternative to make gold with few effort and entry requirements.

This is why it was very convenient and the rewards for higher effort content were generous as well so it didn't conflict it, instead it was a nice complement. For instance, I'm sad the frog minigame won't pop more frequently, but that one was also abusable so again "better than nothing".

Sad that this game became heavily dungeon focused gradually neglecting open world content. Playing this game before reaper release and mostly for the pvp part of it, I was glad I could earn gold while queueing for other content or just chilling.

My desired game progression is not grinding the same dungeon of the patch for hours, days and weeks. As for those who like that, good for you enjoy it while you can, just not my cup of tea or the way I think the game should be played.

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This is debatable. However if removing things in game is considered a good fix, I suggest they apply a good fix to every dungeon in instance matching. After all Tera's playerbase is a small part of the community of people who play Gameforge's games.

They didn't remove fishing. They changed it.

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Hahaha nice joke. So tell me, how many of the proxy nerds can run the current version of celsaik without the in-out proxy? Must be the last 5% up to your 95%.

We all know what an huge ammount of modules are aviable in tera toolbox and you cant tell me you just use the pingthingproxy when you can have 100 more proxys which would give you a huge advantage in the game. Otherwise you can tell me how to kill petrax in 8s when you need at least 10s to move to petrax.

You know there are many many more modules which improving your characters like a buff patch. And when ppl in pvp teleport cause of the pingthingproxy, so you cant Hit them, it is for sure a cheat. This game is full of proxyshit, modules, tools and cheaters and it's all selfmade by the community itselfs. The biggest fault of GF was to allow even the harmless dps tools few years ago and didnt ban them from the start. The community now got what they deserved by starting with this shit years ago. Fishbots, naslowbots and all those shit are the consequences of gameforges no ban politic. Look for players like soaria, who even did youtube Videos of them cheating didnt got a permaban in the past, even when they cheated up to lvl 70 in few days there was no permaban and now bans would let the game die ofc. But as I told, i prefer a dieing game, then a game full of cheaters and proxy users.

God, you're ignorant as hell. You claim to know so much about proxy, yet you don't even know the name of Skill Prediction.
1: Skill Prediction gives the illusion of low ping. While your ping to the server might be slightly reduced as well, don't expect a reduction of more than 10-20ms. Skill Prediction is 90% client side. You will feel like you're playing with 20ms but you won't actually have it. This is for people who live far away from the servers so they can play without feeling clunky and slow. I used to play on NA with 150-200 ping and I can tell you it feels horrible. Try to play with high ping yourself before complaining about Skill Prediction.

Now that I play on EU I have natural low ping (20-30ms). Are you gonna complain that I have an advantage over you because I live close to the server?

2: I do pvp very often and I rarely have issues with people teleporting due to Skill Prediction. It used to be a big issue 3 years ago but right now I rarely encounter it. Teleporting even happened before proxy existed and was often caused by ping lag and low fps.

3: Dungeon guide modules aren't cheats. They are just an easy way to learn the dungeon. They don't do anything for you. They don't move your character for you. They just spam your screen with text about certain attacks like IN/OUT on Kelsaik or "back attack" on Bahaar. You will still need to learn mechanics and I don't consider this an advantage. It's just an easy way of learning without having to spend hours watching youtube videos (that don't even always exist). These guide modules are not a cheat. Someone who uses a guide module doesn't have any advantage over someone who actually knows the mechanics. After using a guide module for 10-20 runs you won't even need it anymore, even on Kelsaik. Kelsaik's IN/OUT is very easy once you get the hang of it.

4: Any actual exploit modules that didn't get blacklisted yet should however get people banned. Modules like Skill Replacer (the module that lets ninjas do flamethrower) for example. However, this isn't the fault of proxy. This is the fault of people who just want to cheat and if proxy is gone they will still cheat. When NA DMCA'd proxy, people were still cheating without it. Blame the filthy cheaters that abuse a program, not the program itself.

Take a virus for example. Do you blame the existence of programming languages because some people chose to abuse it and make a virus? People can use hotmail to send phishing emails, do you blame hotmail for that? Should we blame mobile phones just because some idiots use them while driving and cause a car crash? Do you blame science for the existence of drug addictions?

Blame the goddamn people with malicious intentions, not the thing they chose to abuse. Cheaters will cheat, no matter what. Getting rid of proxy won't get rid of cheaters. Report exploit modules on github and report exploiters with evidence to gameforge (for example, report all the ninjas on Moongourd that are very clearly using Skill Replacer).

If proxy were to dissapear, the one thing that will push people to quit is game performance and lag. Back when we had lvl 60 patch with only vanilla classes, skills were just skills. Now, skills are literal fireworks. You can't even properly see the boss anymore. Proxy enables you do turn off other people's skill effects so you can actually see something and not get migraines.

Everyone who doesn't live close to Germany will also quit the game due to feeling clunky and slow with their high ping. Blame BHS for these flaws and not the people who try to fix it themselves. You probably didn't play in NA during the time of the DMCA so you have no idea what kind of mess it became. The game was DEAD. LFG was empty all day long, Highwatch was a ghost town, no one bought EMP anymore, no one ran dungeons anymore and the Moongourd uploads for NA dropped to 5% of what EU was uploading. I'd say atleast 80% of the population quit during that time. People even abandoned characters with tons of costumes, gear and laurels and started over in EU. People abandoned characters for which they paid REAL MONEY. People don't just do that for no reason. People did that because the game runs like shit without proxy and it became unplayable for them. The game was so screwed that Enmasse literally BEGGED the proxy devs to support NA again. Getting a game company to do such a thing means the game was on the brink of getting shut down. If Gameforge does the same, then expect the same outcome. Either they will end up begging the proxy devs like Enmasse did, or they can shut their game.

Now, there are 3 things you can do.

1: Quit the game and stop complaining.

2: Be a crybaby on the forums without doing anything productive about the situation.

3: Actually do something about it. Start reporting/exposing people on various platforms (TERA, github, discord etc). Even report cheaters to the proxy devs. Don't only expose cheaters, but also the cheats themselves. Don't complain about an issue when all you do is sit on your lazy ass being a crybaby on the forum.

Also, something for everyone in this forum section: Stop crying about what Gameforge did to the fishing system. Unlike you they actually did something productive to improve the situation.

Nice, and it is like in jail. Ask someone if he is guilty, ofc, he is unguilty. Ask a player if he is using proxy, ofc not. If proxy is not that bad, why everyone decline to use proxy. I stopped reading when you told about dungeon module is not a cheat. No for sure it is no cheat when you dont need to learn a dungeon, cause the module tell you what to do. Lol

Just cause u guys to lazy to learn a dungeon it is not okay to use a Tool for it.... Man the poor EU community have to learn dungeons.... Man what will the korean guys say to it, since the cant even watch youtube videos at release date and all the europe nerds are even days before release in a perfect knowledge about the new dungeons. And just cause they suc and they are too lazy to learn, they cheat with modules. Embarassing.

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Nice, the first person i would ban for proxy abuse, is you. I stopped reading when you told about dungeon module is not a cheat. No for sure it is no cheat when you dont need to learn a dungeon, cause the module tell you what to do. Lol

Just cause u guys to lazy to learn a dungeon it is not okay to use a Tool for it.... Man the poor EU community have to learn dungeons.... Man what will the korean guys say to it, since the cant even watch youtube videos at release date and all the europe nerds are even days before release in a perfect knowledge about the new dungeons. And just cause they suc and they are too lazy to learn, they cheat with modules. Embarassing.

Unlike you, some people actually have a life and a job and don't have hours upon hours to watch videos/read guides/wipe&learn. Also, it's utterly dumb of you to blindly assume I use dungeon guides. Not once have I said that I used them myself. Just because I don't consider them cheats doesn't mean I use them myself. I personally find them annoying as hell because I can't be bothered to read shit while I'm concentrated. I also like to fully know the mechanics. I've been playing TERA for years before proxy even existed. If you think CSN is hard then you'd literally start crying in MCHM, old Kelsaik dungeon+raid and SCHM. I also know plenty of other modules I don't consider to be cheats even though I don't use them. I don't see Skill Prediction as a cheat but I don't use it cause I have 25 average ping. Your reasoning is very poor and you blindly assume everything without using your goddamn brains even once. Activate those braincells for once.

Of course you stopped reading because you appear to be a mentally deficient narcissist that is stuck in his own bubble of BS, refusing to read anything that contradicts the garbage that comes out of your mouth (or keyboard in this particular case).

Also, you talk about lazy. Well, "you" is a 3 letter word, yet you are too lazy to type it fully and shorten it to "u". You have no right to call other people lazy when you yourself are too lazy to write full words. Let that sink in for a while.

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Nice, and it is like in jail. Ask someone if he is guilty, ofc, he is unguilty. Ask a player if he is using proxy, ofc not. If proxy is not that bad, why everyone decline to use proxy. I stopped reading when you told about dungeon module is not a cheat. No for sure it is no cheat when you dont need to learn a dungeon, cause the module tell you what to do. Lol

Just cause u guys to lazy to learn a dungeon it is not okay to use a Tool for it.... Man the poor EU community have to learn dungeons.... Man what will the korean guys say to it, since the cant even watch youtube videos at release date and all the europe nerds are even days before release in a perfect knowledge about the new dungeons. And just cause they suc and they are too lazy to learn, they cheat with modules. Embarassing.

at this point ppl will not even bother hiding the fact they use sp, what's the point even? Everyone that plays the game for a while understands that using SP is almost a necessity to having a playable experience if you dont live in the server building. You shouldnt attack the product ,attack the reason it exists(lack of ping compensation system)

as for guide modules,meh i find them a bit lazy, but i understand why they exist, same reasoning Tsumuro called, im not inclined to call them a cheat either, just a byproduct of a lack of information vs pepole having a life. Still better to actually know the mechanics, but its a decent way ot bridge the gap while you learn them if you dont wanna have ot waste a lot of hours studiying videos that might not exist.

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Nice, and it is like in jail. Ask someone if he is guilty, ofc, he is unguilty. Ask a player if he is using proxy, ofc not. If proxy is not that bad, why everyone decline to use proxy.

I already never said I was using guide modules to begin with, you're the one who blindly assumed that simply because I said I don't consider them a cheat. Just because I defend it doesn't mean I use it. I would defend any module that's clearly not a cheat. I have used one in the past to learn to learn Bahaar a long time ago because I had some trouble with the waves and my shedule was too tight to spend 5 hours a day wiping there but once I got the hang of it I deleted it again because the constant message spam in the middle of your screen is annoying as hell. It makes learning something a little easier but you still need to learn it. It's no different than having a friend call out mechanics in discord so if you think guide modules are cheats then you must see discord as a cheat too. Before guide modules even existed people would go in voice chat and the people who knew the mechanics would call them out, yet no one complained about that. I always did SCHM, TSHM and FIHM callouts in voice chat, am I a cheat module too now?

Also why should any random player tell you if they use proxy. They're not gonna tell someone who clearly hates proxy. You can pretty much assume of every player that they use proxy. It's more rare to find someone who doesn't use it than to find someone who does. Even the most ethical people out there will use it for FPSmanager because that module is almost necessary to play the game even with the best PC's.

Also I think Ktera added (or will add) beginner guide versions of dungeons that will likely be similar to the guide modules we have now.

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If you think CSN is hard then you'd literally start crying in MCHM, old Kelsaik dungeon+raid and SCHM.

Bru, my first static was in MCHM and today noone would even try this dungeon for months, like the community in the past. Strange, it all worked without proxy. The difference between the past and today is, that the current generation is to lazy and cant deal with real competitions, thats why they use dungeon modules.

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Bru, my first static was in MCHM and today noone would even try this dungeon for months, like the community in the past. Strange, it all worked without proxy. The difference between the past and today is, that the current generation is to lazy and cant deal with real competitions, thats why they use dungeon modules.

"real competitions"

that's mistake #1: your trying to compete in a setting where its not being encouraged in a positive manner. Good Effing luck trying to one up ppl using all of the private stuff and p2w consumables.

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Bru, my first static was in MCHM and today noone would even try this dungeon for months, like the community in the past. Strange, it all worked without proxy. The difference between the past and today is, that the current generation is to lazy and cant deal with real competitions, thats why they use dungeon modules.

Your reading skills are just as bad as your writing skills it seems. Your comments are turning into random rambling that doesn't answer a single thing I'm saying. Also, dungeons aren't competition, PVP is competition.

Jesus christ just stop being a crybaby about dungeon modules. It's no different than someone calling out mechanics in voice that. Or do you bitch about that as well?

Imagine being butthurt about some people using dungeon guides, something that doesn't impact your gameplay in any way or shape. Get a serious thing to complain about like the aids that's Skill Replacer rather than losing your mind over stupid pleb modules like dungeon guides that merely spams your screen with text.

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Jesus christ just stop being a crybaby about dungeon modules. It's no different than someone calling out mechanics in voice that. Or do you bitch about that as well.

It's really sad how you make no difference between using a module to call mechanics or to rely on other dudes.

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It's really sad how you make no difference between using a module to call mechanics or to rely on other dudes.

Can't really tell what the purpose of your comment is. Are you agreeing that it's pretty much the same thing or are you just writing arrogant BS?

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The difference between the past and today is, that the current generation is to lazy and cant deal with real competitions, thats why they use dungeon modules.

You cry about how people these days can't "deal with real competitions" cause they use dungeon guide modules. Yet you 0 fks about all the flamethrower ninjas out there doing 60m/s on Kelsaik. Your priorities are truly up your ass. You're losing your shit over useless trash while ignoring all the real exploits out there.