Seriously ?
Disable fishing completly
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Can you all stop complaining?
You've asked for a change, and they did it.
Nobody said this is a definitive change for the fishing system,
BUT ATLEAST NOW FISHBOTTERS ARE USELESS.
Sure, legit players got shafted by this change, but they did something to address this issue, and now they have time to rethink about the fishing system and maybe it will be revamped in a way that excludes bots but rewards legit players.
This community can never appreciate anything ever.
Before complaining, ask yourselves what would be better between:
1) Not doing anything at all;
2) Doing something that impacts negatively a small part of the community and the game itself, while at the same time it puts a stop one of the biggest problem of tera.
For sure it will take time for gold inflation to be reduced, but this is a start.
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This community can never appreciate anything ever.
People always find sth to complain about if they want to. Sad but true.
Elesyan And yes, seriously. If you don't have any clue how those bots worked and how they got their gold don't throw useless comments through the room and demand a rollback/change if its the best that couldve happened??? bots cant sell fishs to monger -> no gold, bots cant sell fish to normal merchants -> no gold -> no use for the bot. making all the rewards accountbound = a good change
Enabling mongers again would lead to more bots because they're restricted BUT they're getting gold again. so -> more bots = more loot = botters are able to get gold again and the change would've been useless yay. -
Wait people complain about it? Just do 1 or 2 Dungeons and you get way more gold than legit fishing. Sry there was a time fishing didnt exist and people still got somehow gold. QQ i upgraded my Rod and whiskers ..... You know the main reason for fishing and rods upgrades is for achievement and gold sink. Why do you think the last rod cost 100 Diamonds. Also the other reason for finishing is fish filet ... to CRAFT your buff food ofc this isn't worth anymore since Elleons Token makes buff food crafting useless.
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Display MoreBUT instead of punishnig everyone because of as****** who are fish-boting it would be easier AND FAIRER to :
- make the fish ONLY SALABLE to the Association Fishmonger
- make the fish UNSALABLE to all the others merchants
- make the fish filet/kirash filet UNSALABLE to all the merchants
And JUST LIKE THAT, people who are fish-boting have it in the a**, people who are legit-fishing are not injured, AND rope/bait/design/pet/etc. re-find their usefulness.
IT'S NOT THAT HARD DAMMIT !!!!!!!!!
That's what's my problem is! I am a legit fisher and it got absolutely useless now. Your suggestion would help the "normal" fishers and punish BOTs.
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Wait people complain about it? Just do 1 or 2 Dungeons and you get way more gold than legit fishing. Sry there was a time fishing didnt exist and people still got somehow gold. QQ i upgraded my Rod and whiskers ..... You know the main reason for fishing and rods upgrades is for achievement and gold sink. Why do you think the last rod cost 100 Diamonds. Also the other reason for finishing is fish filet ... to CRAFT your buff food ofc this isn't worth anymore since Elleons Token makes buff food crafting useless.
Yup so much this. Even selling fish bufffood is useless because of the tokens. Really badly thought out changes overall that killed a fun aspect of the game I literally got into a week ago... Well.
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That's what's my problem is! I am a legit fisher and it got absolutely useless now. Your suggestion would help the "normal" fishers and punish BOTs
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What happened??
I literally just started fishing one week ago and it is super fun. I upgraded and bought whiskers to tier 3 and now all of a sudden fishing is completely useless because you can't make any money out of it anymore? HOW is that a good move? I don't think it's fair that legit players like me get screwed over because they are incapable of dealing with bots? Fishing isn't even the best way of getting money in this game.
That change is just insane to me. Also, I never experienced any lag due to bots or fishers whatsoever.
If it's super fun, rewards won't make it less fun. The same is for PvP, PvE, lags (ah sorry, you never experienced lags), craft, stuff upgrading, skill advancement system, ET abusive lotery game... :v
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Well, it was good to earn 10-12k+ gold while you've been AFK for a few hrs, we (players w/o proxy), do not play the game for fishing, but the income is income, everyone needs some +gold
That 10-12k is worth absolutely nothing with the inflation fish bots have caused. Also stop blaming proxy for fish bots. Cheaters don't need proxy and most of them have their own cheating software. We don't want to repeat what happened in NA in late 2018 do we?
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BUT instead of punishnig everyone because of as****** who are fish-boting it would be easier AND FAIRER to :
- make the fish ONLY SALABLE to the Association Fishmonger
- make the fish UNSALABLE to all the others merchants
- make the fish filet/kirash filet UNSALABLE to all the merchants
And JUST LIKE THAT, people who are fish-boting have it in the a**, people who are legit-fishing are not injured, AND rope/bait/design/pet/etc. re-find their usefulness.
IT'S NOT THAT HARD DAMMIT !!!!!!!!!
By doing that they will just deploy a new set of fishing bots every time the max amount of sales to the association fishmonger has been made. Your "fix" won't fix anything.
What they did right now is a good fix. Another good fix would be to make bait only obtainable from dungeon vanguards but then people will cry as well because people always have to find something to complain about.
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That's what's my problem is! I am a legit fisher and it got absolutely useless now. Your suggestion would help the "normal" fishers and punish BOTs.
His suggestion wouldn't fix anything. Learn about how the fish bots actually worked and then re-think what you said.
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Yup so much this. Even selling fish bufffood is useless because of the tokens. Really badly thought out changes overall that killed a fun aspect of the game I literally got into a week ago... Well.
And you really think you would have still enjoyed it after a month? Fishing is boring grind. It's as boring and repetitive as factory work. It's fun the first week and then you never look back at it again except when you need achievements.
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That 10-12k is worth absolutely nothing with the inflation fish bots have caused. Also stop blaming proxy for fish bots. Cheaters don't need proxy and most of them have their own cheating software. We don't want to repeat what happened in NA in late 2018 do we?
A ban of all proxy users? Ofc i want to repeat this. Proxy is nothing different then cheating. I rather dont play a dead game, then a game with cheaters.
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A ban of all proxy users? Ofc i want to repeat this. Proxy is nothing different then cheating. I rather dont play a dead game, then a game with cheaters.
Then quit..?
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The consumeable shop is by far better than the gold you'd get, i don't know why so many people consider fishing worthless now. Before the change fishing was actually worse
thats not true.
1 of those new tokens is created by 5 fragments. you get 4 fragments for a tier 10 fish, that used to sell for 280 gold a piece. to get a 14 token item (blessing of the godess) for example, you'd need to fish 70 fragments, what equals 17,5 tier 10 fishes (they give 4 fragments if you sell 'em). before that was 4900 gold. you could get at least 2 blessings for that money.
also those tokens are strictly limited, since you only get them from selling fish to the according vendor.
just an example, i didn't calculate the other stuff, since the blessings were the only useful thing imo. overall that token shop seems to be pretty overpriced
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That 10-12k is worth absolutely nothing with the inflation fish bots have caused. Also stop blaming proxy for fish bots. Cheaters don't need proxy and most of them have their own cheating software. We don't want to repeat what happened in NA in late 2018 do we?
when i caught up on 'fishbots' a week ago, and that they're causing lag and inflation, i thought to myself, that this was going on since fishing was released in EU. little did i know that they didn't talk about proxy fishing, but really, REALLY bad exploits and bots.
at first i was mad that fishing is getting disabled, since i fish on a daily basis and i've just upgraded my rod to max a few days ago (the last upgrade takes about 3 months to amrotize itself), but its exactly that fact that you're stating here Tsumuro, that totally justifies a complete fishing shutdown!
maybe there still is a way to re-open fishing for players, while also cutting out the opportunity to exploit it.
some stuff has been said before, that'd rather make fishing more tedious for players, but not for bots.
removing sell values of fish and filets would help to slow it down, but won't prevent the exploiting.
sadly, there are no easy measures!
first i thought, they could remove sell values and remove active-fishing - making botting way less interessting, since its limited and time consuming - but the bot users will most likely just answer with even more bots.
as long as there is no bot hunt from GF, there always will be those bots.
hence fishing was removed for the sake of the server's economical integrity.
thats a good decision, and as a frequent fisher i welcome this decision made by GF.
its for the better and fishing is gone for good.
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A ban of all proxy users? Ofc i want to repeat this. Proxy is nothing different then cheating. I rather dont play a dead game, then a game with cheaters.
Proxy has very little to do with cheating. Banning proxy users won't stop cheating because most cheaters will USE THEIR OWN SOFTWARE. 95% of proxy users use it to make the game PLAYABLE, not to cheat. Educate yourself before talking BS. I played on NA during the time they DMCA'd proxy so I know exactly how it turned out: Dead game and people were still cheating BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T USE PROXY TO BEGIN WITH. Not to mention most defs/protocols that are used to exploit have already been blacklisted by the proxy developpers because THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO CHEAT WITH THEIR SOFTWARE. But ofc you don't know anything about that because you just want to cry and blame a group of people without having any knowledge of what you're talking about. Have some knowledge about this whole issue first, until then shut your uninformed mouth.
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Display Morewhen i caught up on 'fishbots' a week ago, and that they're causing lag and inflation, i thought to myself, that this was going on since fishing was released in EU. little did i know that they didn't talk about proxy fishing, but really, REALLY bad exploits and bots.
at first i was mad that fishing is getting disabled, since i fish on a daily basis and i've just upgraded my rod to max a few days ago (the last upgrade takes about 3 months to amrotize itself), but its exactly that fact that you're stating here Tsumuro, that totally justifies a complete fishing shutdown!
maybe there still is a way to re-open fishing for players, while also cutting out the opportunity to exploit it.
some stuff has been said before, that'd rather make fishing more tedious for players, but not for bots.
removing sell values of fish and filets would help to slow it down, but won't prevent the exploiting.
sadly, there are no easy measures!
first i thought, they could remove sell values and remove active-fishing - making botting way less interessting, since its limited and time consuming - but the bot users will most likely just answer with even more bots.
as long as there is no bot hunt from GF, there always will be those bots.
hence fishing was removed for the sake of the server's economical integrity.
thats a good decision, and as a frequent fisher i welcome this decision made by GF.
its for the better and fishing is gone for good.
I'm also happy they came up with this fix. Tedious repetitive content is just an open invitation for botters. I hope Nexon won't give us more content that is so easily exploitable. Proxy fishing was just normal fishing but automated. It was bad but it didn't really impact the economy and didn't cause lag because normal players were using it and not bots (the defs/protocols for proxy fishing were eventually blacklisted aswell). It didn't become an issue until a certain person started selling his clientless fish bot script that allowed someone to deploy up to 25 fish bots at once without even needing a client. The full version of this script was 850$ so I'm happy all those people wasted their money and I hope they hate themselves now.
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Proxy has very little to do with cheating. Banning proxy users won't stop cheating because most cheaters will USE THEIR OWN SOFTWARE. 95% of proxy users use it to make the game PLAYABLE, not to cheat.
Hahaha nice joke. So tell me, how many of the proxy nerds can run the current version of celsaik without the in-out proxy? Must be the last 5% up to your 95%.
We all know what an huge ammount of modules are aviable in tera toolbox and you cant tell me you just use the pingthingproxy when you can have 100 more proxys which would give you a huge advantage in the game. Otherwise you can tell me how to kill petrax in 8s when you need at least 10s to move to petrax.
You know there are many many more modules which improving your characters like a buff patch. And when ppl in pvp teleport cause of the pingthingproxy, so you cant Hit them, it is for sure a cheat. This game is full of proxyshit, modules, tools and cheaters and it's all selfmade by the community itselfs. The biggest fault of GF was to allow even the harmless dps tools few years ago and didnt ban them from the start. The community now got what they deserved by starting with this shit years ago. Fishbots, naslowbots and all those shit are the consequences of gameforges no ban politic. Look for players like soaria, who even did youtube Videos of them cheating didnt got a permaban in the past, even when they cheated up to lvl 70 in few days there was no permaban and now bans would let the game die ofc. But as I told, i prefer a dieing game, then a game full of cheaters and proxy users.
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Before complaining, ask yourselves what would be better between:
1) Not doing anything at all;
2) Doing something that impacts negatively a small part of the community and the game itself, while at the same time it puts a stop one of the biggest problem of tera.
Better doesn't mean it's good or acceptable to begin with. Of course if they are doing something that is directly negative towards users, they will complain about it. Even if it's lesser it's still an evil and therefore not welcome.
For instance, this change benefits me in nothing. I keep getting content I enjoy removed, first of all pvp server, now fishing and Civil Unrest. In all honesty, I'm more negatively affected by these changes than I would be by 1) so do not expect me to applaud them for being harmful.
Sure botting situation seems to be getting better, for which I'm glad. At least I can be happy that someone benefits from this, but the cost is high. That doesn't aid my progression end of the day so I'd rather have an actual working fix for the loss of benefits instead.
What they did right now is a good fix.
This is debatable. However if removing things in game is considered a good fix, I suggest they apply a good fix to every dungeon in instance matching. After all Tera's playerbase is a small part of the community of people who play Gameforge's games.
