TERA ? A game we used to love (before...)

    Hey there,

    First of all :


    I'm not native english, and not the best at writing, but i'll try my best for sure.

    I won't blame anyone

    I will just talk about my experience, what I feel, and point out some major problems at the moment (InMyOpinion).



    I started TERA at F2P Release (2013 February). I Cleared all patches, hard modes and extreme modes since.
    This game has an amazing gameplay, that's the only reason why I (we?) still play this game.


    What's the most exciting thing playing TERA ?


    Well, in my case it was the difficulty of Hard Modes. Manaya's Core Hard Mode and Sky Cruiser Hard Mode were one of the most enjoyable thing in this game. Feeling the difficulty and be proud of the clear is something we don't have anymore in this game.

    At Bahaar release, we finally had something hard to deal with since a long time. It tooks many days to clear it, and the first clears were so much enjoyable. Tryhard for many days and finally beat this boss is a true feeling.


    Dreadspire 1 and 2 were also true content. I think Dreadspire is one of the best thing in this game because it is an addition of all the best boss we ever liked to deal with.


    Kelsaik RAID XX was also a true thing.


    You had to spend a lot of time to learn boss, then farm dungeon, then make your gear and compete with yourself.



    What do we have now ?


    A succession of patches, making this game more and more complicated with less and less content.

    I guess (i hope?), Gameforge want's to grow up it's population of TERA player. But there is the thing :


    Old TERA Players leave the game because they don't have hard rewarding content?

    New potential players don't even start the game because it is really hard to understand, progress, and reach the end game gears without spending 12hours/day in grinding.


    When I stream, I got this question many times : Is it worth coming back to this game ? Is it worth starting this game in 2k19? . And all the chat and I answers "not really.."


    In few time, we got EP , Talyph and now cards ? For a casual new player, reaching full EP & Talyph is just impossible or it will take months, years?...


    The +15 is back ? i think it is one of the major mistakes of this patch. With HO, a lot of player came back to the game, because it was worth spending your time in dungeon getting gear EXP & mats, then upgrading your gears with less rng. Just seeing the % of success was comforting. "Ok this time I failed the upgrade but at least, I'll have more chances next time =)". We had a purpose of spending time in this game even few hours per day.

    Look at this :

    You use 385 coins to do AQ. It's 2 AQ per day for a NO-TC user and 4 for a TC user. Okay before Coin system, we also had 2 entry for NO-TC user and 4 for TC user, but we were able to run a lot of others dungeon. We can't anymore.


    I continue,


    You clear your 2 or 4 daily AQ what do you have ? ALMOST NOTHING =/


    few gears? few cards? few feedstocks? according to your luck & party.


    I have 60+Clear of AQ atm and what did get from it :


    - 3 Gold gears => ( Boots for my slayer, Reaper physical weapon, lancer gloves, how wait ?? its magical lancer gloves...)
    - [15 -20] Blue gears

    - 0 Feedstocks


    Humm, okay i will farm some mobs/bams in Exodor, in 3 hours i got 4 feedstocks 1 green gear and 1 white card.

    Okay i will do other dungeon to have some fun ! Oh wait, i'm out of coins already...

    You don't have fun at all to clear AQ because it's hard in nothing, you don't get anything from it either, what's the purpose of running it then? because i have nothing better to do in my life atm 'yes its sad'.


    Yes you can try to farm WB in exodor, but have fun, everyone is doing them because it's more rewarding to spend your day by hunting WB than doing 4 AQ.


    If you have a job, and only have, let's say, 2 or 3 hours per day to play TERA. You just should uninstall because you will never reach the full +15 gold gear, full EP, full talyph, full cards.


    I agree on the point that : It should be hard to get full +15 gold etc etc. OFC IT must be hard. But bring hard content in order to get them easier?


    The frustration of this patch is terrible, why ?


    You have to get lucky getting a gold gear (looks like the rate is 1:8 - 1:10 AQ)


    Then,


    You need to do a good roll to have it.


    Then,


    Once you have the gear 2x2 possibilities :


    1 - The gear is not for my char, i will sell it

    1.a The gear is Magical but the class is Physical, i won't get any profit of it....

    1.b The gear is Magical and the class is Magical, perfect i'll make some good money.


    2 - The gear is for your char NIIIIIIICeeeee ohh wait? I'm Physical and its magical :'(

    2.a I will try to sell it

    2.b i KMS and uninstall.


    Then,


    Nice i have a gear for my char, let's look at the lines :) , here again few possibilities :


    1 - wait ?? WHATTT?? I don't have lines on it o_O?? How?

    2 - WOWWWW i'm lucky AF ! i have 3 lines =). Waaaaaait? magical amp ? but its a physical weapon? np i'll reroll it, AAAAAAAAAAAA, i can't? okay okay.

    3 - 3 lines with 3 good stats ? 0.000000000000000000000000001 %


    Then,


    I have my gear ! Let's upgrade =D.


    Waaaaiitt? where is my feedstock ? 3 possibilities :


    1 - What is feedstock ? i don't have any from AQ o_O

    2 - Nice i have some feedstocks ! but its armor, and i have a weapon :(

    3 - Let's buy from Trade Broker, give me a sec, how do i buy them ? i don't make any gold because i used all my coins for AQ

    (4 - I buy them from Tera Shop...)


    Then,


    .. ok i stop, no need to continue, with +15 etc.. we already knows the end.




    Tell me who will start to play TERA knowing this ? Tell me who will still play TERA knowing this ? ... It is a lose/lose situation for everyone.



    What do I suggest ?


    Lets be honest, we can't change everything, but we can improve many things, in order to enjoy this game.


    1 - Coins system


    I think coin system is a good thing because you can focus the dungeon you prefer, but back in time with TC and reset scrolls, you were able to run minimum 8 dungeon/day, now its impossible until you buy expensive refils.


    - Lower the dungeon cost (AQ/Bahaar/GV/etc) ?

    - Increase the Coin generation ?

    - Increase the total Coin ?

    - Make the possibility to buy coin from vanguards reputation ? Elleon's mark ? Ghiliglade ? (We were able to buy reset scroll from Vanguard, why can't we buy Coins from vanguard)


    2 - Rewards


    One of the most frustrating thing is not getting anything after running 4 AQ for example...

    You want us to +15 items, give us the opportunity to do so


    - Each boss (1 and 2) of AQ should loot 1 feedstock (either armor or weapon [50/50]) for the whole party.

    as a result, each AQ you get at least 2 feedstock, ( = 1 try until +6 or +8 i don't remember). which is a minimum if you don't get any gear from the run.


    We have new Belt this patch, but getting it is kinda impossible... and imagine, getting the magical one when you are physical...


    - Make the possibility to loot the belt tickets from AQ


    - Increase the golds we get doing AQ, either on vanguard rewards or boss killing, or both?


    Exodor looks really nice but we don't get anything from it.


    - Increase the rate of mobs/bams rewards?

    - Create a 'bam shop'? when you kill mobs/bams in exodor, you get 1 item, clic on this item and a shop appear, with feedstocks, repair feedstocks, cards, gears, or w/e . It is frustrating bashing mobs for 3 hours and not getting anything from it.



    3 - Content


    Please, bring back a real Dreadspire or something in this taste.. no offence but last Dreadspire was a joke.


    - Make Dreaspire permanent ?

    - Ticket system of Dreadspire 1 was a nice thing. Ticket loot from AQ? & DS lower levels ? why not.

    - Manaya, Darkan, Lakan, Desolarus, etc... Maybe do a survery and ask which boss we want to deal with in dreadspire ?


    and more generally, bring hard core content, extreme content, w/e you want (survey ?)


    4 - General improvements


    This is not my idea but i think it is a nice one, something boring in this game is waiting the cooldowns of your mates and your owns cooldowns (brooch/buffs/etc..)


    Implement something that reset everything after killing the boss, OR, put a crystal before the boss that reset everything.




    Finally. I just wanted to point out that the staff and GF in general, is more and more active, we have many events, and the community is taken more and more in consideration which is nice. For many years we had nothing to say, and we weren't listened at all.


    Thanks for that.

















    I wonder how many essays about what's wrong with TERA and how to make it enjoyable again Krafton needs to actually do a 180°.

    At least in EU this kind of threads will not be deleted.

    Totally agree with all the points stated above.


    Only thing I don't agree is about dreadspire.

    This dungeon was endcontent way to often - we need new, fresh, exciting content and not old school endcontent. I saw manaya so many times already - I want to puke if I have to play her again and again and again......

    :stick:

    Regarding the coin cost, maybe they don't even need to lower the entry cost(s) at all, we could get back some coin after turning in a VG, maybe 20-30% if u could clear the dungeon and like 50-60% if you've failed to complete it/party got disbanded/ you"ve been kicked, etc., just an idea :)


    Also, if they ever implement the brooch reset, it'd be cool if something alike was applied for the apex skills as well, if you kill a mob/boss/bam w/e, the apex skills reset ^^

    Okay First of all the concerns you have be gone in 31 october. Remember when new VM patch comes. First u got the normal mode than hard mode right. But some people still wanted to have the gear? Ofcourse u dont have enough drops because 70 LVL dungeon is not up yet.

    Second of all Tera community wanted that. All of you were whining about the game was "there is nothing to do. I have cleared 4-8 highest dungeon now i am gonna slack." Here is the grinding patch now u are saying that its too grindy. Let me ask you. WHAT DO YOU WANT ? Coin system came because of you also. All you ever wanted was spam bahaar VSH SSHM FIH nothing less than that. Now u got it now u are saying it is costing too much. Dude weebs get your mind together first.

    Quote from Duality43

    Ofcourse u dont have enough drops because 70 LVL dungeon is not up yet.

    Which lvl 70 dungeon? The new dungeon that KTERA gets and that you can enter 1/2 times A WEEK?

    Great content coming up guys, stay tuned for even *greater* patches in the future.

    Quote from Duality43

    Okay First of all the concerns you have be gone in 31 october. Remember when new VM patch comes. First u got the normal mode than hard mode right. But some people still wanted to have the gear? Ofcourse u dont have enough drops because 70 LVL dungeon is not up yet.

    Second of all Tera community wanted that. All of you were whining about the game was "there is nothing to do. I have cleared 4-8 highest dungeon now i am gonna slack." Here is the grinding patch now u are saying that its too grindy. Let me ask you. WHAT DO YOU WANT ? Coin system came because of you also. All you ever wanted was spam bahaar VSH SSHM FIH nothing less than that. Now u got it now u are saying it is costing too much. Dude weebs get your mind together first.

    I think you don't know what you talking about.
    First of all, there is no AQHM on Ktera from what I know, they will release new dung which have 4 type of difficult. So there is no wait form HM and then you can get your new gear cuz there is NO HM.

    Second I didn't saw anyone that was happy about coin system on EU or wanted it to be implemented. Ppl was complaining about this system since it come out or maybe even when Ktera got it and ppl start writing on forum, to not implemented it on EU.

    And WHO the hell was complaining about game is not grinding enough ?????????
    Ppl complain about the sp, ep and enchantment system for like 1 or 2 year, that it consume too much time and not allows you to make char, cuz it's too expensive and time consuming, compere to then VM8 or VM9 patch.

    Quote from Duality43

    Okay First of all the concerns you have be gone in 31 october. Remember when new VM patch comes. First u got the normal mode than hard mode right. But some people still wanted to have the gear? Ofcourse u dont have enough drops because 70 LVL dungeon is not up yet.

    Second of all Tera community wanted that. All of you were whining about the game was "there is nothing to do. I have cleared 4-8 highest dungeon now i am gonna slack." Here is the grinding patch now u are saying that its too grindy. Let me ask you. WHAT DO YOU WANT ? Coin system came because of you also. All you ever wanted was spam bahaar VSH SSHM FIH nothing less than that. Now u got it now u are saying it is costing too much. Dude weebs get your mind together first.


    Imagine having absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

    Done.

    the coin system is simply not sustainable period.


    reducing the costs now will just postpone the issue till the next thing they release, we were much better off with the scrollssystem that allowed you to do your runs on a whim.


    as for AQ specifically: it need ot be looked at ASAP, right now its a joke, not really worth doing because the drop rate isjust non existant for anthing relevant and yet lfg is just swarmed with it because ppl are that desperate ot get "anything".

    what's worse is that donig anything else became basically impossible, by that point either everyone is spent in coins, or just mentally exhausted with the game(especially true now that evne more ppl left so the tank drought is even worse now)


    Exodor...tbh if they want ot make ppl farm Bams in it, they should at least make a version of the IoD system for it to generate some of the stuff we desperately need(feedstocks and those tokens for belts/masks).


    cant argue with the QoL stuff.

    Quote from Koichiko


    First of all, there is no AQHM on Ktera from what I know, they will release new dung which have 4 type of difficult. So there is no wait form HM and then you can get your new gear cuz there is NO HM.

    Yes what i meant was in the past we had hard monde and normal mode now u gotta wait 70 lvl dung. without 70 lvl dung u will have struggles of course. U are crying over aq is not worth because its the normal mode like old patches. Let me be clear. U want VSNM drop mark of lakan. U are simply saying AQ is not worth because it is not dropping mark of lakan. What i am saying is wait for the 70 level dungeon patch than we can talk about drop rates. Ofcourse u cant get rewarded enough for the AQ. AQ is 2 braincell dungeon. Btw i know there will be no aqh, aqh = 70 lvl priate dung which has 4 different difficulties. U CANT WAIT AQ TO BE REWARDING. Aq=SSNM, Aq=FINM, Aq=TSNM, Aq=VSNM.

    Quote from Koichiko


    And WHO the hell was complaining about game is not grinding enough ?????????
    Ppl complain about the sp, ep and enchantment system for like 1 or 2 year, that it consume too much time and not allows you to make char, cuz it's too expensive and time consuming, compere to then VM8 or VM9 patch.

    Everyone i know from end game complained about like" i got the weap everything is easy, what now?" "I am bored" something like that. When someone gets the VM he becomes master slacker of the game. They made enchanting system as hard as possible because of it. Other complain was gettin 15 was completely RNG and ppl complained i could not get VM+15 from 17k MWA. Thats why u got the fcking % thingy from item exp which is compeletely lie. If u need nick names i can give it to you they are all quited the game long before VM9 patch. Well i got bored also after i got my VM. U become a little dull after doing that Because u want it so much and than u got no objective after that. i got everything to be +15. Now game never ends.


    IDK and idc about coin system. I wont argue with that but i know one thing like we used reset scrolls only for 1 dung. Including me and everyone. Thats why u got the coin system.


    Forgot to say that.

    If game will be compeletely RNG than there should be no limitations. But we will see.

    I'm complaining about how the new system got implemented. Your saying wait for new Pirate dung which will allow you get new mats etc. cuz it's new hard dungeon. But look how old dungeon and system was implemented. You got NM version which already give you some of the mats for new gear which you can drop, you can already start running it and gather mats for later. Later you got HM version which give you last mats which allow you craft / upgrade item. Now with AQ you got no mats to upgrading new gear, drop rate of the gold gear is low, you have even lower chance to get any decent stats on this item + you need get good basic stats for your class. So instead having rng system on upgrading item, you have rng even to get any item + rng to enchant this item, cuz you can even downgrade it later. Even more to go this new dungeon you need 461 ILVL for 3rd difficult level and 475 for 4th difficult level, when with 3rd difficult level you gucci with HO+3, but for the 4th difficult level there is no way to go with HO, and how you wanna do it when you even can't upgrade new gear cuz new system is one big scam.

    And now that you need 17k mwa or more to get item for +15 with old system. Oki it might be rng. But if you compare it to this new system it was 10 times better then this. You couldn't fail it down, you could a lot easier farm mwa/feedstock to try upgrade it, you was able to change roll on gear ;) . And let's not forget about that if you have middle gear which was able to be enchant max till +12 it was enough for most of the dung and you could easy make alt with it. Now compare it to the new, when you won't be able to get your main char to this ilvl which will be needed for new dung.

    All this system is one big scam, player give tons of idea how make it better or what other system we could implement into the game instead of this which we have but well BHS is showing us middle finger all the time. I don't see why we should bother when most of our feedback for so long time was just going into black hole and no one was bother about it.

    Till GF will not be able to implement they own solution for some of the issue, I don't rly think there is any hope to get back on good track.

    Also you can only enter the new pirate dungeon 1/2 times a week, and it doesn't drop feedstock (only enchant scrolls, but idk if it succeeds 100% of the time). So good luck farming this "new HM dungeon we should all wait for because it will fix all problems".

    Koichiko Well i agree with all ofu are saying that but all i wanted to implement is as a community we have also made mistakes what the game has become. I think we forced producers forced to do something too hard idk. But yea i prefer the old system anyway i lost 3m gold on MwaS all my farm has gone in one patch which i have grinded 6 months.

    Duality43,

    I don't know you and what the heck are you talking about exactly? I wont waste my time arguing with you because I see it pointless and that's not the purpose of the thread.


    We never wanted, at least me, a grindy patch? And about the previous one, old players with millions were able to get BiS gear really fast so yeah they were maybe bored early patch, but for the 80% of ppl, it was not ?

    Anyway, I have quite the game and i'm not aiming to return until they change something. As an example i bought a Yellow Sword w/o lines for 700K, + 1.2mill invest for a +6?.

    I wasted like 500.000 to reach +6 then , Fail, Fail, Damaged => Have to buy mats to repair => Fail, Fail , Damaged => Buy mats for repair =>, and this 5 times in a row. I'm out.

    1 : the patch is not fun

    2 : there is nothing to make gold? exept rng & TT
    3 : this enchant system is a joke



    I just have 0 reason wasting my time in this game anymore. I love this game for many years, I love the gameplay, but i won't spend 12hr/day farming an useless dungeon or hoping to kill few WB in order do get some "luck" and get a nice weap and lose all my money for nothing.


    I will now use my 12hr/day doing something usefull in my real life. This game is not worth anymore if they don't change anything.


    Assa did a really good survey and I think they should think about it.