3rd party agreement in Tera

    I feel like you don't know what the "automation" program aka sp does.

    You heavily imply without naming it, that it does things automatically for you but that's not the case, it just removes the ping tax server side. Unless you were talking about fish bot which is the most widespread mod that includes some kind of automation.

    As for the other things all I can say is that bhs is literally implementing proxy mods into the game for how useful some were so it's a source of both good and bad as it is with all things. Auto potting, timestamps, some fps utils settings, removal of screen shake, transparent damage numbers and a few more things I can't remember atm were all things that started as package or proxy mods.

    the only openly tolerated 3rd party application is the Meter, and evne that has some asterisks on it(mostly for not being an asshat with other players over it)


    everythnig else proxy related so far if it was proven benign it might have at some point been included in the game(as referenced)


    as for the rest, yes, its bs and i surely get your furstration TruthSedge since gunner happens to be a class that's heavily gated by fps and ping(nott the only one but its one of the worse ones), making just feel awful when in some instances your effectively competing against robots and potentially get denied off parties over it.


    but just look at their recent "partner program" and the ppl that got pushed into it, to understand the CMs in EU tera have an active interest in some of the dumber exploits(liek ffs some of them actively develop the truly exploity stuff)

    CornishRex

    Hi, I do heavily imply things without naming them because I wish to stay within the rules so this topic won't just be locked and deleted because I make specific references or give names of such programs. I want to make the problem known, if possible and the best case scenario which is immensely unlikely, this problem in particular with the proxies to be forwarded.

    Some kind of automation is putting it easy and about removing the ping tax server side it's a major boon to your gameplay some programs do even more but they are costly and this is where the exploit paradise begins.

    How much of an upper hand you get with 0ms where everything fires instantly with the help of a script? Even in a lan network (and here I mean computers within walking distance) you will not have 0 ms, it's on average 5-10ms.

    Tolerated or not such programs are still in violation of the 3rd party agreement, but this is not my point or what I want to attract atention to.

    If tolerated programs exist Gameforge must make it a known utility for the players, all of them on the website and the client, if not it's prohibited to use regardless of the intention on which you use said programs.

    Either make it available to everyone to use or forbid them, doing anything else would be a gross violation of the rules.


    Teixas


    Yes with asterisk on it, and I am aware of the unethical fishing procedures displayed in partener streams, I guess that will be handled like the police does most things even if you have recorded proof it can't be used as evidence. So just deny any alleged wrongdoings because there is technically no legitimate proof to incriminate you unless you are caught in the act by the police itself.


    For anyone else reading.


    It's not my concern how my class does or how I perform don't make this a witch hunt or an impulsion/frustration post, I can't say it better:


    Quote from Denommenator:


    Dear all TERA Players,



    We have recently issued some standard takedown requests to platforms around the internet where we found communities actively working in violation of our Terms of Service. En Masse Entertainment has maintained a firm stance against 3rd Party programs or mods that violate our Terms of Service.



    We understand your frustration and regret that this may have disrupted gameplay for some players. We took this action in an effort to protect the experience for those who play the game fairly and engage in the community positively.



    The current situation does not justify abusive or toxic behavior directed at our employees or other players. Threads that are not constructive or violate our code of conduct will be closed or deleted. Disciplinary action will be taken against those players that display this behavior.



    We love you TERA players and we understand that you’re upset about this. We will investigate solutions that provide some of the benefits that these 3rd Party Services offered in a form that doesn't violate our terms of service. Please be patient with us while we see what we can come up with




    My ping to other computers in my Lan shows as <1ms and get's rounded to 0. If you don't have 0-1 within your network then there must be some issue there. 0-1ms ping is possible if you live in the same city and have fiber optic with almost no hop with direct connection to gameforge servers. At my work i'm able to connect to gameforge server with very small hops but sadly no 0-1 ms ping because I don't live in the same city.


    I think hes talking about the SP with built-in macro's. That is kinda cheat and gives you unfair advantage but that's the price you pay but you gotta question yourself if you reach #1 with that but most of them don't give a damn... Though theres some legit developers that don't want any of these things implemented but just give users a QoL to play with higher ping. That's fine for me because they would otherwise quit by having no choice. I think the one that are problematic and offering exploits/macro should be taken action against but the one that just want to make it better for high ping players should stay.

    you gotta ask yourself why these exist ot begin with:


    the main issue is TERA's Netcode not implementing any sort of Lag compensation system since it was designed around a setting where its players have basically no latency(the korean market), this is what the legit modules attempt ot adress(but arent perfect at since donig so would require some more hands on access to the engine and how it communicates with the server, this is an issue for next point)


    TERA's Netcode is insanely insecure,espeially the server side, often taking what the client says as Fact, we saw the results of this design a while ago when it was possible to send HTML code thru the chat system that enabled remote code execution(essentialy a worm, and its actualy relatively simple ot send a bad command to the server that could potentially cause a crash).

    this behaviour is what allows the current exploits ot take place by sending request the server doesnt bother ot chekc if they are valid.

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    Well I guess it's a free for all, our way or the highway it seems. I really hope to see competitive players return.

    Topic can be locked since an answer is too much to ask for.

    i asked support if Broxy is allowed and they told me no

    then i also reported someone who beyond a doubt was abusing proxy in pvp and no bans


    so use whatever you want, even flying in corsair doesnt get you banned for the most part

    only petrax fastkills seem to trigger pve heroes to report and give bans



    and if you wanna proxy fish just look at seren's lake elin npc merchant on all 20 channels, there's hundreds of bots all day and night farming endless golds

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    I scrolled through this searching for official gf reply but nothing, kinda pointless to read anything else. NA already tried to take a stance and look how they ended up lol.

    It would have to come from BHS if they want to do something about it. Banning them and forbidding it wouldn't work because a lot of players would quit like what happened on NA as how it became a must use program if you don't have -30ms ping. Revamp of the server-client skill system to have skill queuing system is needed.