Ace Dungeon Lilith's Keep how??

    Never tried this dungeon before (i know :p but i never tried a few of em) and well, i dont know the mechanics but i think there is really something wrong with the last boss (lilith) because for the love of me i keep dying one shooted all the time no matter how much i try to avoid her attacks. Its like the mechanics are made for more than one player obviously and BF, again, forgot to change it.


    Lilith's is creating a shield, destroy it all costs. How im supossed to do that if im completely stunned every time? and how do i avoid the chain??


    Every time she grabs me with the chain in a second time in a row, i die. I cant even avoid the previous attack i dont see how. Im that bad, or im missing something lol?


    Im just trying to follow the story quests i have left on my second alt and i need to complete this trial to proceed. My gear is already frostmetal +2 when trying this, but it is far harder than that i believe.

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    Yeah, had the same problem with my zerker until I realized that you have to dodge through that purple wave in order to avoid the long stun. I didnt found a way to avoid the chain, but without the stun from the wave it's only 2 seconds or so.

    I don't know how long Ace Lilith take with Frostmetal gear as I just did her once with my HO+1/+2 main which of course did not take very long.

    But if I understand correctly you struggle with one mechanic specifically.

    It has 3 parts

    1) Lilith goes to the center of the room and a stun wave closes in from the outside --> dodge through the wave to not get stunned.

    2) the player farthest away gets pulled in. This usually can't be avoided but as I heard from Arikha the stun of that is quite short.

    In 5-player group depending on nm/hm the healer/tank should get pulled in as the stun lasts until end of mechanic usually and in hm there used to be a damaging area

    3) break the shield before the shield timer runs down --> Lilith gets stunned. In the other case you get thrown around


    Part 2 was already nerfed in the past and the instance never really was adjusted to current gear.

    I'm not even sure if Ace Lilith is based on NM or HM. I presume NM because in HM she a mechanic where the healer was necessary to prevent big damage/wipe.


    TL;DR: As Arikha said dodge through the stun wave, take the stun from chains and clobber down the shield.

    Thats the whole problem, i dogde the wave every time, or at least i try, but it always get me. How im supossed to dogde that, there is no time at all to do so , and no matter if i tried to dogde before or later it always catch me and Lilith ALWAYS pulls me in with the chain and there we go all over again. Its like if there isnt a timing spot to evade it anymore.


    Its not a team dungeon anymore, i cant break the shield, or do anything almost in the whole match, when lilith pulls me in a second time with the chain, after the stun effect (that last for about 10 seconds or so) is gone i get thrown around and when i land on the ground i die, one shooted, ALWAYS. Im not fully against one shooted mechanics if done right, but this one is completely ridiculous. Cant you see BH this dungeon is not a 5 person dungeon anymore????


    So, this is supossed to be two star ace dungeon..... i look at baraco's trial and akasha's trial and for the love of god, i dont have a clue why there is such difference between difficulty. I would not be complaining if the mechanics of the last boss were some way predictable or fairly easy avoidable like many dungeons. Its almost the opposite around. And one shooted mechanic on an ace dungeon???


    And why did BF put this in the way of a story line?? this makes no sense. God, these guys at BH keep doing things in the worst way patch after patch..

    Then I Wonder how you try to dodge the incoming wave.


    It is a circle that closes in from the outside. To avoid stun you have to iframe THROUGH the ring from the inside to the outside. In case of sorcerer Backstep is your iframe of choice. As far as I know the teleport only moves you to a different post but has no iframe ability and I'm not sure if Warp Barrier avoid stuns, too.

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    Then I Wonder how you try to dodge the incoming wave.


    It is a circle that closes in from the outside. To avoid stun you have to iframe THROUGH the ring from the inside to the outside. In case of sorcerer Backstep is your iframe of choice. As far as I know the teleport only moves you to a different post but has no iframe ability and I'm not sure if Warp Barrier avoid stuns, too.

    I know when to avoid it, but it just wont work. Thats the whole problem im having. And since it doesnt work, i know that in the moment i get caught by the chain after the stun wave, that im going to be one shooted in 2 stuns. There is nothing i can do to avoid that. So, im wondering, there is no other way around to being one shooted?? or the whole thing is based on me avoiding the initial stun wave????


    Yup, i tried with warp barrier (i even also have the extra second cooldown boost), backstep, teleport, nothing seems to work.


    I just cant stand dumb mechanics on bosses lol. I guess thats why they put this one into the ace dungeons.. because it was dumb enough? lol.

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    Two options: Kill it before it does the mech or just learn how to dodge the wave. I did it a few times and there is no problem with the wave if you know the timing.

    Killing it before is impossible. At least for a sorcerer with frostmetal +2. I will check it out again later but yesterday i really ended very annoyed with this. Ace dungeons are not supossed to be this annoying. At least they could have been removed the one shoot mechanic and replaced it with just a dangerous attack. It is just, silly.

    Warp barrier will not work, cause its a barrier, not an iframe
    teleport jaunt and backstep both work as both are an iframe, the first of the two is the easier, as you can hop over the wave instead of steping through them

    Here's how to:


    You basically just dodge it like.. I don't know. I dodge it mostly on intuition, but in my experience you simply just dodge when the wave is almost hitting you, you have to dodge a little earlier than you think. It's much like the donuts in AAH, you don't dodge at the exact moment the waves are on you, you dodge a little earlier than that.


    Video to provide assistance:

    https://streamable.com/fmqk0


    Skip to 2:50 for Llilth fight

    Wtb no downgrades on gear, tyvm.

    oh you can use barrier in that ace dungeon? then i dont see how you can misstime it, since the barrier is active for a solid 2 seconds

    Thanks, that was helpful.


    Problem is, i dont have stormcry or HO to kill lillith so fast, so i need to avoid two or three times at least that attack, and in the moment you dont get to avoid the stun wave, you are dead. So yes, i know how to avoid it but for some reason i always get caught in the second or third one. Im that clumsky lol. But what i dont get is, why BH didnt remove or changed the one shot mechanics since it is not supossed to be there in an ace dungeon. And if it is, at least increase the rewards so its more motivating for low geared players.


    Also, yeah, the story missions assumes that its perfectly doable for a new player with twisthard gear... (poor them lol).

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    I might be wrong here... But will a simple jump (spacebar) work? If I remember the mechanic, that was the only thing I had to do. Just jumping over it.

    Nah jump doesnt work.


    Anyways, it was far easier than i thought, i dont know what i was doing wrong. I completed it in my first after a good night of sleep. ^^ as long as you NEVER ever get caught by the stun wave, you are fine.

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    wait wat?


    the mechanic on ACE lilith doesnt actually stun you ,dodge the wave, and its as if if she did nothing

    Of course, if it was like in squad mode it will be almost impossible to clear it solo.


    Edit:

    Never mind I tried with a mere SC+0 warrior and could kill Lilith before she started the mechanic so overall it would be pretty possible to do the boss even if it had the original mechanics.

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    i recently messed up and nearly got into permanent stun. Luckily I had gear to carry me, Frostmetal player might have been dead when messing up dodge.