Which Class would fit my playstyle?

    Quote from Cheezus

    valkyrie is easiest class in this game


    Its easiest class to play if you want to farm IoD but if you want to min-max then valk is one of the hardest class to play to its maximum potential.


    Go check out MG valk rankings. The highest damage done at nightmare lakan by a valk in NA is 3m/s , this is almost 550k more damage than the rank 10th valk. The rift between rank 1 and rank 10 dps of other classes is like 200-300k but for valk this difference is 500k+ , why is it so? Because valk takes a lot of skill,experience and knowledge of the boss fight to play to the class's maximum potential.


    You are also thinking only about the class but ignore other numerous factors that go into playing that class. Valk is a melee class which means valk has more boss attacks and mechs to worry about than a ranged class such as an archer. As a valk you have to try and sync your ragnarok with boss's enrage cycles for maximum dps output, even 1 death on valk will ruin your dps. Valk is not an easy class, period. You can believe whatever you want though.

    Your only problem is 1 death would ruin my dps, well it's the same for any other dps class WOW MUCH HARD VERY WOW. If only you didn't make the account just now so I'd know if you were being sarcastic or if ur actually this dense

    Quote from Cheezus

    Your only problem is 1 death would ruin my dps, well it's the same for any other dps class WOW MUCH HARD VERY WOW.

    You have a point though. I was thinking the same, especially Gunners/Ninjas/Brawlers because they are all working with some kind of accumulative points as well. Losing those points alone won't make a class hard.


    But there should be no denial about dying with these mentioned classes greatly reduces potential DPS.

    Quote from Cheezus

    Your only problem is 1 death would ruin my dps, well it's the same for any other dps class WOW MUCH HARD VERY WOW. If only you didn't make the account just now so I'd know if you were being sarcastic or if ur actually this dense


    I never said dying doesn't affect dps of other classes negatively , all I am saying is that it affects the valk most out of all the dps classes. The only one who is being dense here is you with your repetitive 'valk is ez' bs without any explainations.

    Quote from Shade

    I never said dying doesn't affect dps of other classes negatively , all I am saying is that it affects the valk most out of all the dps classes. The only one who is being dense here is you with your repetitive 'valk is ez' bs without any explainations.

    because valk is ez af. No explainations needed.

    Quote from Glacial`

    You have a point though. I was thinking the same, especially Gunners/Ninjas/Brawlers because they are all working with some kind of accumulative points as well. Losing those points alone won't make a class hard.
    But there should be no denial about dying with these mentioned classes greatly reduces potential DPS.


    And do you realize that gunner/ninja/brawler also have skills to replenish their secondary resources? Gunner has replenishment to recover willpower, brawler has mounting rage to recover rage , ninja has attunment to recover chi. What does valk have to recover ragnarok? Nothing.


    Losing ragnarok points does make things hard for valk, wanna know why? Because valk dps is trash outside of ragnarok. Its comparable to slayer or gunner who are considered as low tier dps classes right now.

    Quote from Shade

    If you want to post such stupid and shallow replies, you should not post at all. If you want call a class 'ez af' then take efforts and elaborate why it is 'ez af' otherwise keep quiet.

    I will talk when i want and what i want. Ur posts are rather stupid not mine. U miss arguments ? Yours were soo such good xD Oh wait : keep quiet please. Ure probably new guy who never played before valk patch. And I play since vm2 hitted the game. Wont even discuss with u. There is no need. Every1 knows that valky is ez af. U wont change the public opinion with ur own and short experiance in this game. Older and skilled players react exactly like me. To be good on valkyrie u need like 3 days and in pvp u can kill mass just by spacebar ( some1 from Killian did even a video showing this ).

    Quote from Glacial`

    Top roll on chest which grants 300+ points if done properly (or even more, depending on the length of time).


    Damn I can't stop laughing at this reply. I am talking about skills, not gear rolls and its 150 points recovery, half of what you stated. 'If done properly' - then valk isn't an easy class because noobs and casuals will never be able to 'do it properly'.

    Quote from Shade

    Damn I can't stop laughing at this reply. I am talking about skills, not gear rolls and its 150 points recovery, half of what you stated. 'If done properly' - then valk isn't an easy class because noobs and casuals will never be able to 'do it properly'.

    So just because it's a top roll it doesn't count? Right. Who cares about adding attributes to an existing skill as long as it's not standalone!
    And you can dodge twice in a short period of time. So that's 300. If you're not dodging properly, you're going to die and DPS will fall, same as with any other class. If you can't dodge, any class is "hard".
    Dodging as a basic thing, not class dependent. Basically any decent dodge will trigger perfect evasion. You don't need skill for that.



    You can laugh as much as you want but if you can't point out something that only Valkyries have (that makes them hard) then you're just wasting time.

    Quote from Glacial`

    So just because it's a top roll it doesn't count? Right. Who cares about adding attributes to an existing skill as long as it's not standalone!And you can dodge twice in a short period of time. So that's 300. If you're not dodging properly, you're going to die and DPS will fall, same as with any other class. If you can't dodge, any class is "hard".
    Dodging as a basic thing, not class dependent. Basically any decent dodge will trigger perfect evasion. You don't need skill for that.



    You can laugh as much as you want but if you can't point out something that only Valkyries have (that makes them hard) then you're just wasting time.


    Listen genius, pressing a skill button to to recover half of your secondary resource bar =/= having a mandatory roll on chest to get your secondary resource.


    Simply dodging every attack that boss throws in your face is not enough to do good dps with valk. You probably never saw how aggressively a good valk player dodges. They go out of their way to dodge and get bloodflower resets from the boss attacks that would not even hit them in the first place. This is the reason why good valks have high uptime on ragnarok. Doing so requires not only in-depth knowledge of boss fight but also a lot of practice because one mistake while doing so will leave you dead. You have to maintain balance between aggressive dodging to get resets and saving the iframe for oh shit situations, this isn't an easy job.



    You are just being dense with that death and dps loss point. If you believe that archer loses same % of dps as valk does due to dying then you are gravely wrong. Valks suffer far more negative consequences of dying than any other dps class, this is because valk dps out of ragnarok is trash. The only other class that would suffer same kind of dps loss as valk is probably warr when they die during DG buff+boss enrage. Do you get my point yet? Every class suffers dps loss due to deaths but valks have to suffer the most dps loss out of all classes.


    Keep living in your delusional world believing that valk is an easy to master class. If its so ez as you and others in this thread are proclaiming then why dont you guys play valk and do 2.3m/s+ at lakan? 2.3m/s ins't even that good btw, just saying.

    I was just merely pointing out the way you misrepresented the whole situation, such as "What does valk have to recover ragnarok? Nothing." and "Losing ragnarok points does make things hard for valk, wanna know why? Because valk dps is trash outside of ragnarok."


    Quote from Shade

    If you believe that archer loses same % of dps as valk does due to dying then you are gravely wrong.

    Like I ever said such thing. But at least you're starting to make more sense now as you finally use reasoning. :rolleyes:

    Quote from Glacial`

    I was just merely pointing out the way you misrepresented the whole situation, such as "What does valk have to recover ragnarok? Nothing." and "Losing ragnarok points does make things hard for valk, wanna know why? Because valk dps is trash outside of ragnarok."


    Like I ever said such thing. But at least you're starting to make more sense now as you finally use reasoning. :rolleyes:

    Your whole reasoning is pointing on that archer loses as much as Valk when dieng. Why you arguing then in your other post that other classes also get hindered when dieng. Valk gets even more punished. You lose even more dmg and you are most likely desynced with enrage timers which you have to catch up to. What means you have to play even more reckless.


    Is valk over the class averages in dmg: yes no one is dening that. Doesnt mean it is easy to play her. Is she easy in PVP: hell yes and broken af. Doenst mean that accounts also for PVE. She will get huge dmg nerfs and i bet after that everyone will say: Valk is shit you have to be good to do dmg. The actual contrary to the situation right now.


    The discussin shouldnt be what class is easy to play. Every class need skill to perfect it. The real question is what class is beginner friendly and in this category Valk is not the way to go cause of said punishes when dieng and the dodge mechanic. Stop recommending Valk as an easy to play character for beginners thats totally missleading.

    Quote from Schnarchgott

    Your whole reasoning is pointing on that archer loses as much as Valk when dieng. Why you arguing then in your other post that other classes also get hindered when dieng.

    Because Cheezus brought it up and it was a valid point. Every class loses dps when dying but that doesn't make them hard. It was a general statement of him which I halfly agreed. As I wrote:

    Quote from Glacial`

    But there should be no denial about dying with these mentioned classes greatly reduces potential DPS.

    mentioned classes = Valkyrie and some others. In other words: I already admitted that these classes could be harder because they have to be careful what and when they do it as dying can greatly hinder their dps.


    Quote from Schnarchgott

    Stop recommending Valk as an easy to play character for beginners thats totally missleading.

    I'm not recommending anything. I shared my own personal experiences. Don't take everything serious when the very first lines say that...

    Im just saying this is the second thread you are recommending Valk as a beginner char or argue for it. Which is in my eyes wrong and it rlly looks like that your experiences aren't that deep in playing a valk. Just stop arguing if you dont know enough about the subject and Cheezus is just a troll overall. Just the category PVP player who just assumes playing valk is the same in PVE.


    Sure Ninja/Brawler/Gunner have the same problems dieng. But the main discussion point is that those classes dont need to use their Iframes for damage. You have to dodge differently with a valk and play her differently as Shade described it in 3-4 posts. Thats the point no one accepts. The same goes for reload speed. It depends greatly on the understanding how the boss works to do it on valk. If you dont utilize your dodges correctly or play risky you dont get your rag up as much as you have to. Try to do 2 million dps on Lakan with a valk without funpotion and tell me that thats super easy again after you've done it.