Contest: Create your own TERA loading screen!

Quote from Kawaikunai;2645555

Sometimes I feel bad for gameforge for having such ungrateful playerbase. We don't know the situation so why bashing them for having such prizes? If I was talented I would enter anyway because having my artwork in game that everyone can see is a big prize already. But unfortunately people are too greedy these days.
Hopefully some real talented artist will submit their work here, the ones that draws because they love it, not because they want to win free stuff.

No. That's a poor reasoning, and the typical scene of:

- Music group - Well, we will do ur concert...what will be our payment?
- Local manager - Payment? Well... ur payment is to get famous at my concert venue !
- Music group - ...

Real artists doesn't like that their works are understimated.

Regards ~Loren

Quote from Whipii;2644883

I was thinking about trying, but with that reward? Nope.

Seriously? People work hard and spend hours and hours to finish a perfect loading screen and the prize isn't even permanent?

Or you can farm lot for 2-3 hours and buy one olso its 100% win

Kawaikunai Im not poor Chinese child.
I have job I have a lots of customers. I can make real money.
I dont need 30-days mount because I can sell one art and buy 10 of them.

Advertise? LOL. I dont need it here, really. Its only 1-month advertise and I dont think that Ill get more customers after that.

I think we should get TT. U can choose what u want to get so thats the best way to make everyone happy. Or they should make price list with all mounts, skins and outfits and we will choose one.

Its simple, not cost so much and pretty good way to end this contest.

Sry 4 my english ><

I dont wanna make new post so:
BigPhil psss u have 4,513 Pageviews o DA and I dont see any commissions price so u CANT make money

"<- One of the last Art-contest winner... i make pictures for fun and not for sale."
Dont try be sooo pro because U won DE contest version. And DE version had really low level

Quote from Kawaikunai;2645555

Sometimes I feel bad for gameforge for having such ungrateful playerbase. We don't know the situation so why bashing them for having such prizes? If I was talented I would enter anyway because having my artwork in game that everyone can see is a big prize already. But unfortunately people are too greedy these days.
Hopefully some real talented artist will submit their work here, the ones that draws because they love it, not because they want to win free stuff.

The price is bad, but I agree with this !
Alone are seen as the loading screens is quite a price. That's why it pays to do with already.

<- One of the last Art-contest winner... i make pictures for fun and not for sale.

Even if you make art for fun/love this is still an event. This reward is pretty much one of the worst they gave out yet, a temp mount that everyone already had a chance to get permanent a while ago, it's not even exclusive.
They gave better stuff in a facebook event where all you had to do is click *like*
The rewards of events they are making are becoming worst and worst, should we expect a random box with a chance to get some 7day item on the next one ?

Quote from elloren;2645582

Real artists doesn't like that their works are understimated.

This.

Quote from Asharah;2645606

Kawaikunai Im not poor Chinese child.
I have job I have a lots of customers. I can make real money.
I dont need 30-days mount because I can sell one art and buy 10 of them.

Advertise? LOL. I dont need it here, really. Its only 1-month advertise and I dont think that Ill get more customers after that.

And this.

Quote from BigPhil;2645612

<- One of the last Art-contest winner... i make pictures for fun and not for sale.

Oh, so we're the greedy ones, since we obviously don't make art for fun ever.
I mean, hell I've been drawing since I'm 11 years old, and it definitely is because I always was so sure of it as a money-making career path, and definitely not because it's a strong passion of mine since forever, nope nope. Hurr derr durr.

That kind of train of thought, is what makes other artists look bad and keep on making society thinks we should do stuff for free, because drawing pictures is a passion of ours, and as such, in a purely idealistic world in which we obviously should belong since we're artists, this would mean we'd LOOOOVE to draw anything at ANY cost whatsoever.
Well guess what, we don't like to be taken for less than we are.

Because this world isn't filled with butterflies, rainbows nor pink bunnies jumping on fluffy clouds, and because artists need money like any other person on this planet does, in order to pay bills, and simply eat and have a house.
Producing such images requires skills, and talents, often dependent on a very expensive scholar training, and years and years of dedicated work.

I mean, I have as much work to do at school and at home, and as little social life as my boyfriend who's studying in the medicine field. Funny though, nobody would ever think of asking a surgeon to fix their heart for free, telling them that as a reward for that fix, you'll advertise to everybody you know that he's the one who did it. Whoah, great reward indeed. Yet, people never feel any kind of shame in asking artists to work for free all the time.

So let me break it down to you : we ALL make pictures for fun. All of us, no exception. If we wanted the money first, we surely wouldn't have engaged in such a career path to begin with. But we also should have self-worth, and should know what our work's worth, and not let society keep on stepping on our shoes just because we're supposed to be idealistic human beings whose sole goal in life is to make the world better through artworks. And also, unicorns are real.
We're like everybody else, we need to live and sustain ourselves and our families.
And in our nowadays world, where money rules everything, we can't afford to do stuff for free, this is just demeaning.

I'll just leave Stephen Silver's message about that problem.
He's a famous character designer (Kim Possible, Danny Phantom), and speaks the holy motherfrakking truth.

[video=youtube;oWXYoD7wfOs]

Basically, doing stuff for free, is destroying the industry and other artists. So please, think again.

Quote from dayMdel;2645687

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calm down xD
If I could, I would sell my pictures. Make a few fun pictures from people without restrictions of clients is already not destroy the economy. If you make just for money and have no fun to it, you've taken the wrong careers way

I do indeed drawing to get better in order to make maybe a Karieree later. You push all Artist here in the abyss because you say, all artist have fun off it, do not want money for. Lol ?

So, i make Arts for Fun, but with a client with restrictions, for money or contest prices.
And later I can also sell my fun pictures... xD

Some of you misunderstood. I didn't mean some serious artist making money for living selling their arts, I meant artist who draw because it's their hobby, because they love to draw. There is many people out there who works for example in office and still enjoying drawing.

If you don't want to - don't participate. If you think the rewards is not big enough for you (nobody even said you will win ) then don't draw. It's not like they forcing you to do so.

And once again : I'm still hoping to see some great arts from artist who draw for fun, not for rewards! Good luck for everyone
This is an event and it's for FUN drawing, not for SELL.

Quote from Asharah;2645606

Kawaikunai Im not poor Chinese child.
I have job I have a lots of customers. I can make real money.
I dont need 30-days mount because I can sell one art and buy 10 of them.

Advertise? LOL. I dont need it here, really. Its only 1-month advertise and I dont think that Ill get more customers after that.

I don't think anyone cares and really if you don't want - don't draw, what's the problem? You have really big ego. I'm glad you can draw and all but I thought with your attitude you would be the one who will draw here for fun. (Since you're making so much money by selling art already).

Quote from BigPhil;2645723

calm down xD
If I could, I would sell my pictures. Make a few fun pictures from people without restrictions of clients is already not destroy the economy. If you make just for money and have no fun to it, you've taken the wrong careers way

I do indeed drawing to get better in order to make maybe a Karieree later. You push all Artist here in the abyss because you say, all artist have fun off it, do not want money for. Lol ?

So, i make Arts for Fun, but with a client with restrictions, for money or contest prices. And later I can sell my fun pictures... xD

In the context of this event, it's just a question of principle. Sure, it's a contest, and as such, making a 200€ worth artwork for it isn't a problem for me, at all. But I expected Gameforge to at least have the decency to put a permanent mount or costume as reward.
Again, making a 200€ worth artwork, I don't think it's too much to ask for a 20€ worth prize, is it? But I guess for Gameforge, even a 200€ worth artwork isn't worth that. It's worth nothing for them, and that's what pisses me off.

Again, just a question of principle and decency.

I've seen other MMOs rewarding a screenshot contest with permanent costume. A screenshot takes 2 minutes to take and 5 minutes to edit on Photoshop.
Here, they ask us to do a 4 days work, and basically be rewarded with... nothing real.
I'd rather spend money in shop, sell some stuff to be able to buy that mount at the broker, than participate in this demeaning event.

Quote from Kawaikunai;2645729

Some of you misunderstood. I didn't mean some serious artist making money for living selling their arts, I meant artist who draw because it's their hobby, because they love to draw. There is many people out there who works for example in office and still enjoying drawing.

If you don't want to - don't participate. If you think the rewards is not big enough for you (nobody even said you will win ) then don't draw. It's not like they forcing you to do so.

And once again : I'm still hoping to see some great arts from artist who draw for fun, not for rewards! Good luck for everyone
This is an event and it's for FUN drawing, not for SELL.

Every artist out there, draw because it's their HOBBY. I've never ever seen ONCE someone drawing pictures, and making a living out of it, because it was a good money-making career path. It isn't, at all. Better work at a bank, if making money actually was our goal in life.

But yeah, I guess trying to get some recognition and some real decent credit do make us pathetic greedy gold-digging artists, how ashamed of ourselves should we be, really.

A bit of reading to educate people who still don't get it : http://www.visualartcopyright.com/articles/free.html

Quote from dayMdel;2645738

In the context of this event, it's just a question of principle. Sure, it's a context, and as such, making a 200€ worth artwork for it isn't a problem for me, at all. But I expected Gameforge to at least have the decency to put a permanent mount of costume as reward.
Again, making a 200€ worth artwork, I don't think it's too much to ask for a 20€ worth prize, is it? But I guess for Gameforge, even a 200€ worth artwork is worth that. It's worth nothing for them, and that's what pisses me off.

Again, just a question of principle and decency.

I've seen other MMOs rewarding a screenshot contest with permanent costume. A screenshot takes 2 minutes to take and 5 minutes to edit on Photoshop.
Here, they ask us to do a 4 days work, and basically be rewarded with... nothing real.
I'd rather spend money in shop, sell some stuff to be able to buy that mount at the broker, than participate in this demeaning event.

I'll write it one more time - we don't know the situation gameforge is in right now, so why all this bashing?
Also I bet they're not waiting for people who's artwork is "worth" 200€. I recommend you to chill out and just walk away from this thread, you already said how insulting the prize is for you and you won't participate, so why you keep hanging here?

Quote from Kawaikunai;2645741

you already said how insulting the prize is for you and you won't participate, so why you keep hanging here?

Because there's people like you trying to be the devil's advocate, and trying to explain how normal you think that such context shouldn't have a decent reward anyway, because of the good old cliché "Artists are drawing for passion, not for money" as if we were unicorns. And such way of thinking, is what makes us, artists, in real deep shit, because society keeps on holding to that backward and insulting point of view. And that needs to change.

Nobody would dare to think that kind of thing about any other work field, ever.

And I sincerely doubt Gameforge couldn't afford to give 9 permanent mounts as rewards. But such behavior does fit a whole "utterly greedy pattern" they've been following lately, hence my uproar.

Quote from dayMdel;2645738

In the context of this event, it's just a question of principle. Sure, it's a contest, and as such, making a 200€ worth artwork for it isn't a problem for me, at all. But I expected Gameforge to at least have the decency to put a permanent mount or costume as reward.
Again, making a 200€ worth artwork, I don't think it's too much to ask for a 20€ worth prize, is it? But I guess for Gameforge, even a 200€ worth artwork is worth that. It's worth nothing for them, and that's what pisses me off.

Again, just a question of principle and decency.

I've seen other MMOs rewarding a screenshot contest with permanent costume. A screenshot takes 2 minutes to take and 5 minutes to edit on Photoshop.
Here, they ask us to do a 4 days work, and basically be rewarded with... nothing real.
I'd rather spend money in shop, sell some stuff to be able to buy that mount at the broker, than participate in this demeaning event. ...

So since I can already agree, the only question now is whether the effort of the artists worth. Will certainly be what the make the effort to make her picture appears in the loading screen.

Edit: Sry for my English, Google translate =P

Hmm the prize is underwhelming. o. o

I know I'm not one of the best when it comes to drawing, sorry but really a temporary mount?

I joined an art contest on another game. Sure I didnt get 1st or even 3rd. I got like special mention. lol

I got 130$ worth of cash points for that game. o. o

Honestly I was hoping we get some TT.

Still will join, but it aint gonna be pretty. XP As for thanks to not Blocking our accounts @_@

Quote from dayMdel;2645765

Because there's people like you trying to be the devil's advocate, and trying to explain how normal you think that such context shouldn't have a decent reward anyway, because of the good old cliché "Artists are drawing for passion, not for money" as if we were unicorns.

Ah... can you at least read what I wrote? I NEVER said how normal it is, for the 3rd time i'm going to say it: WE DON'T KNOW THE SITUTATION OF GAMEFORGE, WHY BASHING THEM?

Now clear? Can you read it 3 times so I don't have to repeat it again and again?
Btw I saw your art and I don't think you're in right position to call yourself an artist, your ego is big but that's not enough. Please keep in mind that this is just my opinion. I bet there are some people who like your art.

Quote from Kawaikunai;2645828

Ah... can you at least read what I wrote? I NEVER said how normal it is, for the 3rd time i'm going to say it: WE DON'T KNOW THE SITUTATION OF GAMEFORGE, WHY BASHING THEM?

Now clear? Can you read it 3 times so I don't have to repeat it again and again?
Btw I saw your art and I don't think you're in right position to call yourself an artist, your ego is big but that's not enough. Please keep in mind that this is just my opinion. I bet there are some people who like your art.

What does their situation have to do with anything? Are you trying to tell us that GF will go bankrupt for giving out 9 permanent mounts? Unless that is the case, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever as to why they couldn't give out better rewards.

This is the worst reward i've seen up to date in any game, heck i've seen graphics cards and entire PC's being given out for far less effort than this.

Quote from Kawaikunai;2645828

Ah... can you at least read what I wrote? I NEVER said how normal it is, for the 3rd time i'm going to say it: WE DON'T KNOW THE SITUTATION OF GAMEFORGE, WHY BASHING THEM?

Now clear? Can you read it 3 times so I don't have to repeat it again and again?
Btw I saw your art and I don't think you're in right position to call yourself an artist, your ego is big but that's not enough. Please keep in mind that this is just my opinion. I bet there are some people who like your art.

Ah, there it is, I was waiting for it. The personal bashing. How creative it is now, to counter my perfectly rational and valid arguments by bashing my work. As if you actually knew what I'm capable of now, nor will be in the future, and more importantly, as if I'd care. And if asking for a proper decent prize is having an ego for you, then I sincerely hope all artists around the world starts to get one asap, because only then maybe people will finally stop treating us like shit.

But yeah, sure, keep on thinking that giving away 9 permanent mounts is gonna make a hole in Gameforge finances so big they'll have to go bankrupt, sigh. You're hopeless.

Quote from Kawaikunai;2645828

Ah... can you at least read what I wrote? I NEVER said how normal it is, for the 3rd time i'm going to say it: WE DON'T KNOW THE SITUTATION OF GAMEFORGE, WHY BASHING THEM?

Now clear? Can you read it 3 times so I don't have to repeat it again and again?

What situation do you think they are in ? So bankrupt they cant afford to make 9 permanent digital costume/mount out of fine air ?
Aftet what they pulled on us with the elin box i doupt they have any problem.
And you keep saying the real reward is having your art on the loading screen ? But how long will that last ? 1 week ? And what will happen next, they just get rid of it? And when your mount time is over, well, you wont have anything, artist take pride in what they do, making something takes time, yet even the display of it will be temporary with this event.

Quote from Kawaikunai;2645828

Ah... can you at least read what I wrote? I NEVER said how normal it is, for the 3rd time i'm going to say it: WE DON'T KNOW THE SITUTATION OF GAMEFORGE, WHY BASHING THEM?

Now clear? Can you read it 3 times so I don't have to repeat it again and again?
Btw I saw your art and I don't think you're in right position to call yourself an artist, your ego is big but that's not enough. Please keep in mind that this is just my opinion. I bet there are some people who like your art.

Vindictus by any chance? Their prizes for events such as this are usually insane. And that's how it should be.

I agree with everything that Day has posted in this thread.

Quote from Kawaikunai;2645828

Ah... can you at least read what I wrote? I NEVER said how normal it is, for the 3rd time i'm going to say it: WE DON'T KNOW THE SITUTATION OF GAMEFORGE, WHY BASHING THEM?

Now clear? Can you read it 3 times so I don't have to repeat it again and again?
Btw I saw your art and I don't think you're in right position to call yourself an artist, your ego is big but that's not enough. Please keep in mind that this is just my opinion. I bet there are some people who like your art.

Wow dude, really? As if you were in any position to call other people egoists. Throughout the year that I've been on these forums, in every thread I've seen you in, you've been massively stroking your ego, fighting and insulting others, and sucking gameforge's D. Stop trying to act so high and all-mighty, because you're not, and neither are you more intelligent than others. You clearly have no understanding of art or its value, so what makes you think you're entitled to an opinion in this thread?

Also, are you an employee of Gameforge by any chance? You keep posting the same thing in every thread, defending Gameforge. If you're not an employee, then you don't know their situation either. If their situation really is as bad as you say, then they should COMMUNICATE and let us know. It isn't hard at all, and communication with your customers goes a long way. But no, Gameforge refuses to do such a simple thing, so any bashing they get is their own damn fault. Honestly, sometimes I do feel for them, because the community hates them and they get bashed for everything they do, even the good things. We should be thankful they bother to do anything at all. However, then I instantly remember all the shit they've made me go throughout the time I've been here, and how they treat their community. I simply cannot be compassionate about such a company. If the internet laws would be stricter, they would've been out of business a long time ago.

Oh, and one more thing, get that horrible signature out of my face. I get cancer every time I see it.

Gameforge’s situation seems to be that they want to give 30 days payment for being allowed to use the pictures for commercial purposes on any and all Gameforge sites. It wouldn’t cost them anything to give out a permanent mount or outfit. There’s no situation in which they simply can’t afford to give a better reward as long as they keep it in-game – we’re talking about NINE people who will win something completely digital that they essentially only need to apply a code to an account for.

And for this code, which is the kind of thing that you can often find on free giveaways in different MMOs – they get to use the pictures however much they like to get practically free advertising for their game.

Go read the Conditions of Participation:

“By submitting an entry, participants agree to Gameforge presenting it on the Gameforge internet sites as well as on social media pages maintained by Gameforge (e.g. Facebook and Twitter) and grant Gameforge the spatially unrestricted non-exclusive usage and exploitation rights without claim to monetary compensation. A revocation of these rights of use after 31/12/2013 is excluded.

The transferral of the usage and exploitation rights also includes the right to complete or partial sub-licensing as well as the transferral to companies linked to Gameforge as defined in § 15 AktG as well as to third parties if it should become necessary to do so within the framework of these participation requirements and the usage regulations.“

As a regular rule, if you enter a competition, it’s because you want to compete for a prize. That’s what a competition is. The people who talk about painting for the fun of it – all artists do that, but that’s not what competitions are about, especially here where the company get to make use of the art you’ve sent in. In competitions, you go all out because there's a prize you really want and that prize is worth the stress of competing. If you think the recognition should be the only prize we need - please keep in mind that your nickname will be displayed next to the picture, not your name.

In conclusion – I had a lot of fun making my painting and I’ll admire it on my desktop. That’s creating art for the pure pleasure of it rather than creating art for someone to use without giving me anything substantial in return.